Another theory awaiting feedback. Just food for thought. Why did God destroy every breathing thing? If man was responsible, why did all creation have to pay the price. The Bible says ALL flesh had corrupted His way. What happened to the animals? Is it possible the angels that sinned and were cast into chains also sinned with the animals corrupting and making violent every animal on earth save for those called out like Noah?
Ya’all could not have possibly tackled this topic before…could you?

No one willing to tackle it? Just trying to see a few studious fellows ideas on the subject. There are no taboo subjects when it comes to Bible study. It was an honest question I have had, and set it before some folks whom I think have sound grounding in the Bible. As I have studied the Bible and try to extrapolate the ends of what it says I only find it to be even more profound than I can imagine, and authored by a thrice Holy infinite God wanting a relationship with his corrupted finite creation.
Personal opinion IE Bible is not clear in this area so not preached from the pulpit, but does give reason to believe this may have happened… The angels that were cast out somehow crossed a line in Gods design. The sin that was ushered in by Adam let the floodgates open to “break the rules” of Gods design. Ie Angles taking human females to wife and somehow (Idoknow cloning?) offspring. What was to keep them from doing this with animals…Creating violent offspring at odds with man instead of peace. There is strong prohibitions to men on this. If Satan had his minion, attempting to corrupt the bloodline so that Christ would not, could not be born… IE Noah was perfect in his Generation. IE not perfect in deeds but he was a direct descendant of Adam and thus the uncorrupted bloodline line in which Christ would come. All the rest were destroyed and started over with the offending Angels in chains. With uncorrupted animals as well as a direct descendant bloodline…. It seems to fit the facts and evidence and falls within the information given. If someone else has a better idea…unlike doctrine, I would happily change this view.

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If you are referring to "Sons of God and daughters of men" Then I don't agree that it refers to angels.

Thank you David for a little imput. OK, dont want to tanget on a rabbit trail. I know the aguement pro/con on the AngelsvsMen, but that does not answer the premise of the thread. Why did all flesh have to die, how did the animals become violent or corrupted that it repeneth God that he had made them. It is evident from scripture something was amiss. And the simple answer "sin" does not explain the connection nor the just and complete judgement. Animals do not sin they do not have that uh..."option". I seriously would like to know, not seeking a bickering match, rather seeking someone thoughtful who might have a better idea that allows all the pieces, evidence and scripture to fit... Not saying this line of thinking is the best or correct just I havent found a better one.
Now I also know that like in Josh 6-7 God orders them to kill everything of the enemy but that does little to explain the posted question

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It really doesn't take a scholar to come up with the correct answer to this question. It is really rather basic and simplistic. At least it is to those of us who not only read and study but sincerely believe in the Word of God.

The answer is because that is the way God wanted it. Period. Plain and simple. God is all-powerful and is the ultimate and only true Authority. If He decided He wanted to discontinue all life on the face of the earth with the exception of those on the ark then that is His decision to make.

When mortal, human men try to understand why God does anything it is really a futile effort. If we could begin to understand God and His ways that would make Him no different than the rest of us and we would not need Him any longer.

In Christ,
George

George that is a scape goat answer that could be applied to most of the issues discussed on the board. Hence not need to touch on any subject. Not sure if you meant it that way, but comes across as condescending. I wrote this question and waited patiently 6 months for a reply. Not condemnation.
God gave us the Bible and the Holy Spirit as a way to understand Him in our limited finite way. It says to study it .....”For as in the days that were before the flood.” The Bible uses those days as an example, in several places. God would not use an example that he wants us to be ignorant about... It is built line upon line precept upon precept... else were all just cool aid drinkers...

Your answer could blanketly explain a lot. But it gives little comfort to curtain issues, try using it to explain Haiti.
Or to a 12 year old diag with aids because her parents sold her that we took in as our own… Or?
One could use your reasoning and apply it to kill many of the topic on these boards. No need to talk about it we cant understand it anyway… And any discussion is an affront to question God…
Why soul win? God is going to do what God is going to do…how are we to understand...Neither you or I believe that.

There is much about the Bible I do not completely understand…Grace, mercy trinity for a few, but it does not mean I should not seek an ever deeper understanding as the LORD gives it…
I am a KJ Bible believer not because of the of bumpersticker faith “God said it I believe it nuff said” but because I have studied the issues and the more I dug the richer the vein of gold I found…. The things of faith that the LORD has shown me could not be burned out of me if you burned me at the stake. Its why I forsook all to become a missionary under circumstances that would have broken any man had the LORD not stayed my course…

I was looking for a little intellectual discourse

First of all I did not write what I wrote to be condescending. I wrote it to present it as truth. If you feel it is condescending then that is your feeling and obviously not mine.

Secondly we have had numerous problems here with people attempting to intellectualize the Bible. It leads no where but to trouble. In fact if you look at recent history of the so-called "modern versions" of the bible (I will not capitalize the word here because they do not deserve that respect,) they have come about from so-called scholars who are intellectualizing the Bible.

As a fundamentalist I believe the Bible is written literally and do not look for hidden meanings and such. I fully believe that if God wanted us to know the answer to certain things He would have written them for us to read. Obviously He did not feel it important enough to us to include them in His Holy Word.

You are completely correct in that the attitude and statements I have taken and made can explain a whole lot of things in the Bible. As far as the bumper sticker thing, God wrote it and it matters not whether I understand it or believe it. I have to choose to either accept it or go off on one of those famous rabbit trails attempting to understand something that is bigger than my mere mortal mind can even attempt to understand.

Do I consider myself a Bible scholar? By no means. Do I study the Bible in depth using the tools the Lord has provided me? Of course I do. However once again I do not attempt to intellectualize things God chose for reason or reasons I do not need to know out of His Book. Notice that I do not need to know them. The reason for that is that when I get to heaven I will know all of those things and they will become unimportant to me because according to what the Bible has to say I will not have time to be concerned with them because I will be too busy glorifying and praising the Lord.

In Christ,
George

"First of all I did not write what I wrote to be condescending. I wrote it to present it as truth. If you feel it is condescending then that is your feeling and obviously not mine."

George, Thank you for the clarity and thank you for the response. I did not think you were, it just seemed that way each time I read the post... chalked up to lost in the limits of posting.
Just for the record I posted here because I feel those here have a depth of study and a liberty to discuses things, not to cause problems. I think this issue has enough info in the Bible and world destroyed evidence without having to surmise the result to a great degree. Obviously not everyone agrees.
As far as..."God wrote it and it matters not whether I understand it or believe it" There is a flaw in that thinking. God wrote it for us. If we do not have the capacity to understand it...there is a real problem. my poor example... Like building an electrc stove for a people who have not found ot about or have access to electric

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Bro Nobody

Do we make a lot more of animals than the bible does? We have dogs, for instance, as mans best friend. See Mark 7:28, etc.

For without are dogs, Rev 22.15 Also Phil 3:2 Beware of dogs. or perhaps this refers to human dogs?

Brothr David I am not the one you addressed the question to but I can tell you that here in the State of California we most certainly make a lot more of animals than the Bible does.

We have building projects that have been stopped because there is a possibility there may be either California Red-Legged frogs or Tiger Salamanders living in the area. We have numerous large farms in which the farmer has been prohibited from actually cultivating the land because of the possibility he may be disturbing wet lands and maybe those two animals. We have a situation in which a much needed and major water project has been stopped because of a silly little fish that I believe is called the Delta Smelt.

Just yesterday I saw a news report where a company wants to build a large solar energy facility a bit to the north of me. Of course the whole thing has been taken to the courts because of the possibility of another type of lizard and some other animal that may live on the land in question.

It is quite ridiculous to me that God gave man dominion over all the animals and yet we give more value and credence to those animals than we do humans. I realize we have a duty to be stewards of what God has given us but I believe that when those animals get in the way of the needs of mankind there is a definite problem.

In Christ,
George

I am not asking this question as some animal rights advocate. I think most animals taste great in butter. Use to subsistent hunt. Still eat a little iguana now and then. I asked this question because the Bible makes the statement about it and there is no jot or tittle in the Bible unworthy of our attention. Especially when my Saviour mentions it yet again, recorded in more than one book, as an example as something that those living in the last days will be like… I think it is worthy of study.


Not something to talk lightly or in jest when the LORD says…

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Ok What was it like in the days of Noe in Gen?

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

not fish or crabs or sharks…though they did pay a heavy price they were not wiped out…

My question is why on several fronts so as to better understand the day in which we live…

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In the days of Noah.

Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Ge 6:6 ¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Ge 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them

It was a very wicked time.

And of course, fish live in the water, so the water had no effect on them, for they just had many more places they could swim and feed.

Ok "uncle" I give up I must be the only one that wants to know...
The vast fossil record of dead marine life killed when the fountains of the deep were broken up shows the silliness of the last line(not the scripture) Why is the the sky blue? --- "Just cuz God made it that way". Is true but really does nothing to answer the question...

2Peter3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

This post was last modified: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:37 PM by Bro Nobody.

You can call what God did as being silly if you desire to, but I refuse to think that way, nothing God did was silly.

Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Ge 6:6 ¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Ge 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them

And of course, these verses above has your answer, but if you refuse to accept it, that is up to you.

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
(II Timothy 2:23)