Brother Tim,you did not see where I said not all but many.Southern Baptist are Independent hugh?

From 50 miles of where I live they are controlled by,Southern Baptist Mission Boards,and the Boards,the Convention.Dont worry Greek Tim has attacked me by private message.I do not apologize what I know for fact.Also Tim re-read my post #119

Anything,that is controlled by something cannot claim to be INDEPENDENT.

Blunt?Yes,fact?yes,no but most.

I apologize for not putting the T at the end of No meaning, Not All but most.Also when I use the word MOST means not all.

Them poor Son`s of Thunder,and how silly for John the baptist calling people a brood of vipers.And to think of Jesus,harshly saying things.

Lets tell preachers Tim,not to preach a place called hell,because now its HADES,a Mythical place of the Greeks underworld.It`s Hell,Hades is a mistranslation.

Also Tim telling someone,they are going to hell is about the harshest thing someone could say to a lost soul,will you compromise to save harsh feeling`s instead of getting their souls saved?

Brother Miller responded,

Where did you say this? Are you saying most SBC churches are independent? Or did you mix your words up here?

You said,

The only SBC churches that have any actual controls are those whose pastors are being paid from the convention. This should be expected. For what you pay, you should have a say.

Speaking harshly has its place. Jesus (and John) reserved it for those who should have known better. I do so with you. You speak without knowledge. GT did not attend an SBC seminary. He is not an SBC pastor. Chuck explained that he attended a conservative SBC church where the KJB is used. You said,

Nothing you claimed about Tim or Chuck is fact. Even using the word "attack" to describe Tim's private response is not true. He didn't start with the accusations, you did. That is "attacking".

By the way, show me all of the places IN THE SCRIPTURES where a preacher told people that they were "going to hell". It is true that the lost are doomed to eternal flames, but was that the common method of preaching to the lost?

Lastly, referring to your 6 accusations about Southern Baptists:

Are false teachers found exclusively in the SBC? (NO!)

Are all independent Baptist colleges and seminaries training exclusively to use the KJB (NO!)

I suppose this is also an exclusive weakness in the SBC. (NO!)

And is this not true of MANY large churches, no matter the denomination? (OF COURSE!)

How does this have anything to do with being Southern Baptist?!

You could have left out the underlined part and had just as true a statement without singling out Southern Baptists.

Would you please list the SBC seminary classes in which you have sat and listened to the teaching? A few different names would be fine.

I grew up in a Southern Baptist church. My father was the pastor for over 50 years. He never taught from anything but the KJB. We ceased to contribute to the convention or use its literature in the early '70s when liberalism and modern versions began to be added to the materials. The old heritage of the SBC was still strong in our area and today many of the "country" churches remain the same. It is true that the SBC as an organization has left the paths of truth. The same thing can be said of most denominations today. I do not carry the flag for the SBC any longer, but I also cannot tolerate distortions and falsehoods, regardless of their target.

Tim the Louisiana baptist seminary in shreveport La is one to start with.One thing also,I have attended enough,Southern Baptist Church`s here in Louisiana,to know for fact,that many SB Preachers,are Masons,and many in the Congregations,are flat out racist along with,the men being Masons,and their women being in the Eastern Star.

I have asked SB Pastors,if they would have a problem ,with me bringing a black to Church,and the responce is the SB Preacher always want`s to blame the members,by saying brother miller,I dont have a problem with it,but you know some of the members just would not have it,and we dont want to cause a division in our Church.

Division,what does SB Preachers with that view,think segregation is?

An old true to the AV KJ Bible Preacher, said it very well.If they can`t worship with,souls of a different skin color down here on earth,I do doubt if they would be happy in heaven,because the saved saints white or black ect,will be going there,and living together for an eternity,and he also said,that many of the SB smaller congregations are segregated,and Sunday mornings,across America,testifies how Racist they really are.

I myself and my wife,heard a man say,in a SB Church down from my house,say the day a ni***r walks through them door`s,I am walking out.I said brother,you need to get right with the Lord on this matter,and he said,if loving ni****s,is what it takes to get right with the Lord,I would rather go to hell.I said well,brother how foolish to say such,because souls of color will be there to.I think he actually moved out of town,after that.



No compromise is in Church`s claiming to be IFB Which the are not.They should be called,CIFB Well you can im quite sure figure that one out.I took GT`s private message as an attack calling me unloving,when nothing could be further from the truth.

Here where I live,every IFB`s which are few,small or big,all have a big sign with AV KJV IFB.Thats how I can tell,a real IFB.Also,the KJV IFB`s around my community,are packed out,people getting saved,while the SBC`s in coutry,mainly are dying off,and they are preaching from modern versions.Wonder why the KJV IFB`s here have revival`s every quarter,while you may see revival,maybe once in SBC`s every 3 years.

I believe the real test could be,let the men that use,their modern versions,lay them aside for 3 months and use the KJB and preach as if they were never going to Preach again,from the KJV Bible,and then go back to the modern version`s for 3 months and do this test once in a year,and keep good record`s,and I would be willing to bet,at the end of that year,they would see which Bible,get`s people to the Altar`s.They say proof`s in the pudding.


You need to read Brother I.K.Cross 92 page booklet titled {Baptist Heritage Abandoned}The Protestant Position Of The Southern Baptist Convention,by Bogard Press who say`s they are,Always KJV -Always Fundamental.


Chap 1.Orgin and Nature of Conventionalism.

Chap 2.SBC and the Universal Church.

Chap 3.Infallibilty of the Scriptures.

Chap 4.Other Doctrinal Departures.

Chap 5.Alliances.

Chap 6.Rewriting Church History.

Chap 7.Conclusion.

Bibliography.

Ever heard,God love`s the sinner,but not the sin?

Wonder how well the late great Jonathan Edwards,sermon went over,Sinners in the hands of an Angry God?History says,people were terrified and begging to get saved.Hey,ole brother Edward`s was Preaching the AV King James Bible to.Quick and Powerful,sharper than any twoedged sword.{Hebrews 4:12}.

I do apologize to the SBC that most have Abandoned their Heritage,that is why I am no longer a SB by name,but a drifting Baptist.I do like to see what has happened in the Lord`s Church one by one,as in the compromising ect.

One lady that works,for the local Baptist Book Store,tells me 10 years ago,you would have never of thought, our Preacher would have allowed such worldliness.I kindly said,I can imagine.They,show that,they are Preacher`s with no back-bone to allow such.

This post was last modified: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:05 PM by james516.

Steve, I will respond only this once more.

You did not answer many of my last responses at all and the few you did were vague. Instead of backing up your claims, you simply changed the subject. You would be very upset if I said that all the people in Louisiana are racists. You would consider that very unfair. You are doing the same with Baptist Churches. I can take you to an IFB church in our town that is hopefully NOT a representative of the whole IFB fellowship.

We have been integrated throughout my entire ministry. I don't know of any churches in our area that teach ethnic separation other than the IFB church mentioned above.

I am not only defending the SBC. I am telling you that you are casting far too large a net, as well as making false accusations of brethren.

There are plenty real false teachers out there. Focus your energy on them.

By request, and following this thread, I do not think it is wise to continue on this course. It is not edifying to anyone. Please understand and respect this decision.

Love in Christ,

Jim