How Sad that it always comes down this; I think I'll get my 'Geneva' Bible and find a reformation church & site.

"Jesus wept."

Thanx for your kindness Bro.Tim, I look ford to meeting you in Gainsville

Who said ungodliness was taking that stand?

I have a feeling that there is a going to be a few billion people standing more in judgment for the application of their heart than what version of the bible they use.

This post was last modified: Thu Jun 12, 2008 05:17 PM by Jim.

Chuckie Trout nice to meet you.

I see,in your profile link,the Church is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

I just quit attending a local,SBC Church,because the new hireling came preaching from the NKJV.In 160 years,that Church stood for the KJ Bible,but when the,old KJV Preachers,died off to glory,guess not many Southern Baptist Preachers,left that believe the King James,is a book that stands alone and has worn out many a mans hammer,on it`s Anvil of time and Still Stands alone.

Yes the KJ Issue has divided,because it is sharper than any twoedged sword.Amen!


http://www.deanburgonsociety.org

Brother Jim,thank God the believers judgment is for a loss or gain of rewards and not damnation.I merely said in other words if defending God`s Word is ungodliness so be it.

Defending God`s Word {KJ} is not ungodliness,but standing on the rock of truth.

Brother Miller, the Dean Burgon Society is a great place to get a lot of information, but you need to be aware that they don't look at the KJB quite the same as you do. I have met and have spent time talking with Dr. Waite. He is a wonderful believer, but he is hesitant to describe the KJB as perfect. He is in the group commonly described as TRO, not KJBO. I have many of his books, and they are very useful in learning more about the history of the KJB, but he stops short of absolute confidence in the KJB as the Pure Word of God. He sees the extant Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that were used by the KJ translators as being the final authority for the text of Scripture.

Examine their Statement of Faith.

Chuckie Trout, it might be possible for us to meet sometime this summer. I am not teaching during the day, so my schedule is more variable. My wife and I would enjoy getting to meet you and your family. My email is listed in my profile.

Thank you, brother Tim for that info.I had no idea about the dean burgon society not being staunch KJBO.Staunch Textus Receptus only hugh?What a crying shame,I will change my www link then.

Stated much better.

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I see,in your profile link,the Church is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

I just quit attending a local,SBC Church,because the new hireling came preaching from the NKJV.In 160 years,that Church stood for the KJ Bible,but when the,old KJV Preachers,died off to glory,guess not many Southern Baptist Preachers,left that believe the King James,is a book that stands alone and has worn out many a mans hammer,on it`s Anvil of time and Still Stands alone.

Yes the KJ Issue has divided,because it is sharper than any twoedged sword.Amen!
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Ill try again to reply (I still struggle with how this format works " " , etc.).
I know of what you write 'jame516', I had the same dilemma after my retirement & moving to Florida to care & aid the in-laws through their golden years & beyond. To keep harmony in the family ranks we (I) compromised several Ind. Bap. KJVO churches that I prefered until we found a conservative SBC church with a KJV preacher. I visit the others when there is a family outage (other plans than PM or Wed. church serv.). I do so despise the arguing that seems to prevail on this topic, so many learned, well read & educated people, why do we Blood soaked believers get so heated??

This post was last modified: Fri Jun 13, 2008 09:27 AM by ChuckieTrout.

Thank you,Chuckie Trout.

I have found,the format to work,by highlighting the comments,and clicking on the quote button.How to quote inbetween the comments,I haven`t figured that one out.

I think,the reason for heated debates,is because those that stand that any version will do only wants to argue and not hear the truth of the matter.Some of us blood soaked KJO Believers,get a bit frustrated out of hours of fruitless debate.Greek Tim is a good example.

I remember a time,that here in and around my community every southern baptist Church in the south,stood for and preached from the King James Bible for well over 350 years.To see a SB Church,abandone its King James heritage,for Bibles translated from corrupted manuscripts,fill the SB Pulpits gets a bit disturbing.

I know where I live the Church`s are controlled by a Southern Baptist Mission Board,and the Southern Baptist Mission Board`s are controlled by the Southern Baptist Convention,and the Southern Baptist in my community Preacher`s are hirelings,and what they can and can`t preach is controlled or they are tossed.

Southern Baptist,that accept Rick Warrens,purpose driven lies,is another thing that gets many KJV Bible believing Baptist.I call Rick Warren the Southern Baptist,leader {pope} to Apostasy.He is being praised in Southern Baptist Church`s here in the south,and I am quite sure every state in the USA has been touched by his garbage.Also when the 40 days of purpose books,replace the Bible in Southern Baptist,Pulpits,that is a Church with no purpose.

Poor souls,are being led astray,especially in the Southern Baptist Church`s.Also the government of 12 move is another example of Apostasy.Just look at how far John Hagee has departed,the faith,and I know Southern Baptist praise his garbage to.John Hagee in his book in defense of Israel,teaches Jews can be saved without Jesus Christ,Jesus Christ did not claim to be the Messiah,and Jesus Christ did not come to die on the cross,for the sin of the world ect.If Hagee thinks these,things brother,and dies in that condition he will go to hell.

Some Southern Baptist,praise John Olsteen,is a preacher that,simply just not know his Bible or he doesn`t accept it as fact.

Many Southern Baptist preachers and members are in the masonic lodge {i.e.satanic lodge}.Billy Graham himself,has led many down the road to apostasy,and ecumenism,and is responcible for bringing perverted Bibles in the Southern Baptist Assembles,and it is proven Billy Graham is a 33 degree mason,and praises the Pope ect.

I thank God,for every staunch King James Only,Independent Fundamental Baptist Church,that stands against this Mess and a mess it is.

Me and my wife attended another small country southern baptist,last sunday,and to see its member with a NIV Bible is almost heart breaking.They are Church members without a Bible.

God have mercy.

This has been my thoughts as well on the SBC and yet here I am....Proverbs 21:9 & 19 (KJV, AV, TR) (add my MSS..'in-laws' to each)

Chuckie Trout thank you for the reply.

My thoughts for today.I will have to take my stand on something or I might as well fall for anything.

Yes Chuckie Trout (what an interesting surname you have,) it is sad that it has come down to this. There are so many Churches who have abandoned the Truth and taken to modern perversions of the Bible. I pray you comment about the Geneva Bible was made in jest. As you are most likely aware this site only supports the King James Bible.

In Reformers Unanimous we say that Small Compromises Lead to Great Disasters. This constant compromising on God's Holy Word has lead to some incredible disasters. God does not change and His Word does not change. For over 300 years we had the true Word of God in the English language without compromise. Then the trouble started. It was started by "scholars" such as your son, Greektim, who believe that they can interpret the Bible better than the men who were chosen of God to interpret it.

The Bible itself tells us:

(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

It is indeed sad that it has come down to this which is constant compromise of the Word of God.

In Christ,
George

For the Quote,

Click on New Reply, rather than quick reply, highlight the text you wish to insert in the quote and click on the 3rd icon from the right in the formatting bar. Hope this helps.

I was blind now I see.

Greek Tim,sent his Dad to spank us.I hate to say,but now I know why Greek Tim holds,to his position.He is,a compromising Southern Baptist,and most Southern Baptist,are a far cry now,from being a true to the core,fundamental Baptist.

When a preacher,gets into the Pulpit with a corrupted,NASB,NKJV,and preaches 1st Corinthians 1:18 saying we which are being saved,instead of we which are saved,in word denies fundamentalism.

I have read many articles,about Liberalism in the Southern Baptist Convention.Billy Graham has actually questioned,the book of Genesis as being a literal fact,and has stated to Larry King,that many roads lead to God,when in fact the Southern Baptist,use Billy Grahams name on a regular basis in the pulpit.Billy Graham,has endorsed many Bible per-versions,and when he does,Southern Baptist flock to the bookstores to get their copy.

#1.Southern Baptist,compromise and Rick Warren,the Southern Baptist pope is a good example.

#2.Southern Baptist,semenaries {cemetaries}are training Preachers,to believe the KJ Bible,is to old and outdated.

#3.Southern Baptist semenaries,have bought the lie {yea hath God said? Genesis 3:1}to believe,yes its in any Bible under the sun,as long as it`s not the KJ Bible.

#4.You cannot,tell the difference between most southern baptist,women and wordly women.

#5.Most Southern Baptist,preachers wear the microphone on their heads,while preaching,and to me they look as if they want to be,a country music singer or a rapper.

#6.Big Southern Baptist,Church`s no longer use the old hymn book`s or just a piano.They have got to have,electric guitars,drums,key boards,singing men with long hair,women in mini skirts with short hair,and tons of make-up.

It is a very sad day,the only way to tell the men from the women is after they die,the autopsy reveals what gender they are.

Blunt?Yes,fact?yes,no all but most.

The Church I find in the KJ Bible,is local Church`s,Independent,Fundamental,none compromising,doing things God`s way,not involved with ,mission boards nor Conventionalism,but sending Missionaries from their local,Independent,Fundamental,Bible believing Church,warning,rebuking,exhorting,correcting or dis-fellowshipping,with it`s none-repentant members.You staunch KVO IFB`s know this is true.



{2nd Cor 4:2}But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty not walking in craftiness,NOR HANDLING THE WORD OF GOD DECEITFULLY;but by manifestation of THE TRUTH commending ourselves to every man`s conscience in the sight of God.

Things going on in Southern Baptist and many other Church`s` across this land,sad indeed but fact,is are not Biblical.

Just go,as if your interested, and sit in on a few southern baptist semenary classes,and you will hear,things taught that will,cause you to run.


No wonder the walking epistles to the lost,are keeping them lost.


Good,God Almighty.

Brother Miller, you need to quit sticking your foot in your mouth.

This is unnecessary:

You make statements that are far too broad as well as being judgmental. If you checked out the posts that GT made a while back, you would understand better. You know nothing about which you speak and ought to apologize to both Tim Decker (GreekTim) and his father. You take personal experiences that you have had and assume that everywhere else in the world is the same.

Southern Baptist Churches are just as independent in function as any other "independent" Baptist Church. SBC churches come in all kinds of flavors and beliefs. My church is still on the local association's list, though we haven't participated in local, state, or national activities. We call ourselves "independently southern". I also have a close friend who is a pastor of another SBC church that still has some involvement in association activities, though it supports its own missionaries. He is as rabid a KJB defender as you will find. He would fit in any IFB church and you would never know the difference. I could say the same about a dozen or so SBC churches in our area. Outside of not being pre-trib, I could easily be thought to be an IFB.

I am jumping on you roughly because you are not helping this site by being so quick to attack what you think to be false. I do this publicly because your careless statements are also public.

This post was last modified: Fri Jun 13, 2008 06:13 PM by Brother Tim.