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A good education in Liberal Cemetaries can get people into deep trouble with the Lord.

You are right. It's a good thing I didn't go to one of those.

[UQ]

[BM Comments]

GT Wherever you went you wasted your money.Remember GT your PRIDE goeth before a fall and GT God hates pride it one of the 7 deadly sins.

Steven, please try to show a little bit of class. If you are going to accuse me of insults (for which I apologized if you were offended), then what does that make you if you do the same?

If a seminary GT leads you astray,your money was wasted.

There is no truth in a lie brother.

GT Check out.

http://www.deanburgonsociety.org

Got to start reading When the enemy strikes by Charle`s Stanley and see what faulty versions he will use.

DR and Pastor Waite of the Dean Burgon Society,explains people as Greek Tim to a capital T.Wanted to share.Yep he is right,sad indeed.


6/7/08

Remember, "A MAN CONVINCED AGAINST HIS WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL." Don't think you're going to make a convert of an UNWILLING young man. Don't hold your breath!!

The TRUTH of the matter (though this young man probably doesn't care to know it) is that, as Dean Burgon has said it, the Traditional, Received text has come down to us from the Apostolic times to the present. However, the PRINTING of that text began with Erasmus in 1516, and with Beza's 5th edition, 1598, and with Elzevir and others, but the MANUSCRIPTS which form the basis of the various EDITIONS of the Traditional or Received text go all the way back to the ORIGINALS of the N.T. which closed from 90 to 100 A.D. rather than in the "early 1600's."

Again, don't hold your breath that this young man will jettison the theories taught to him by his critical text teachers and accept the TRUTH of the matter, UNLESS he is seeking TRUTH rather than mere slanted OPINION. Pastor D. A. Waite

I once talked with a pastor who had been a friend for many years. He would often express "the deeper truths" found be re-rendering the Greek for his people. Though he preached from the KJB, his SS classes and school used the NKJV for memory work. The congregation used a broad collection of versions from the KJB to the Message.

I sat in his office and asked him what he knew of background of the Greek Text from which he studied. He said that it was the book that he had used since his seminary days. It was one of the Nestles texts. I asked him about the TR, and he said that he had never heard of it. (25+ years of preaching) As it turned out, in his library was a TR that someone had given. He took the two and did some comparisons. He then acknowledged that there was indeed a difference.

I challenged him to research for himself the version issue and then to take a stand for the purity of the KJB, rejecting others as impure, or at least bring his church to unity in what text was right.

His words to me followed what Dr. Waite was quoted as saying above. He said, "I have gone too far now, I cannot change." Though faced with the need to make a decision for or against, he chose to ride the fence, so that he would not have to admit to his church that he had been wrong for 25+ years.

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0304.htm

A preacher on the fence

From out of the millions of the earth
God often calls a man
To preach the Word, and for the truth
To take a royal stand.
‘Tis sad to see him shun the Cross,
Nor stand in its defence
Between the fields of right and wrong:
A preacher on the fence.

Before him are the souls of men
Bound for Heaven or Hell;
An open Bible in his hand,
And yet he will not tell
All the truth that’s written there,
It haveth an offence—
The joys of Heaven, the horrors of Hell—
A preacher on the fence.

Now surely God has called the man
To battle for the right.
‘Tis his to ferret out the wrong
And turn on us the light.
And yet he dare not tell the truth,
He fears the consequence.
The most disgusting thing on earth
Is a preacher on the fence.

If he should stand up for the wrong,
The right he’d not defend;
If he should stand up for the right,
The wrong he would offend.
His mouth is closed, he cannot speak
For freedom or against.
Great God deliver us from
A preacher on the fence.

But soon both sides will find him out
And brand him as a fraud,
A coward who dares not to please
The devil or his God.
Oh God, free us from fear of man,
From cowardly pretence;
Cleanse out the dross and fear of loss,
And keep us off the fence.
~ Unknown


I believe this was written in the 1800s by Jonathan Reeves of Rochester, Kent

That Brother Tim, is what it all boils down to.I was educated, to believe and do it this way, and, will not change my views or work.

Another thing it is called.To much pride, to say my teachers were wrong, and I am right even though I am wrong.Very childish, indeed.

Brother Waite, sent me another email ,regarding people like Greek Tim.I think he is right.Let it Rest.

Young Pastors, of the modern day per-version camp, only want to argue and are not interested, in facts regarding the truth.


From this young man's writing, it is my considered opinion that, if I were you, I would CEASE ALL COMMUNICATION WITH HIM. His mind is made up and, as Proverbs 29:9 says:

Proverbs 29:9 "If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest."

There will be "NO REST" if you continue with him. If you want "NO REST," keep writing him by all means.

Pastor D. A. Waite

So, you are willing to invoke personal separation on me over this?

You keep harping on the fact that my mind is made up. But isn't yours made up as well? So what?

I would love to get past this issue. But it seems that the more KJO people get on here, the more they express so called facts which are not based on the truth. It is easy to get carried away, but our conversation should be grounded in reality. It is easy to be convinced when the opposing view is only made of straw. I am just trying to give you the truth to what is so commonly denegrated here. I am not seeking to change your mind (obviously that isn't gonna happen anyways). I just want you to have the true facts so you can build an opinion based on that. You would be much stronger if you argued the facts, not an ad hominem.

That said, I am dropping this discussion. It is not uplifting. Just so you know, james516, I only engaged in this to correct a misunderstanding (the word for word thing). I was not trying to win you away from the KJO view. I was not trying to ridicule the KJ. I just wanted the statements that are made, be made from fact not fiction. I am not going to enter into this debate any more unless I am asked. (I can already hear the, "It's about time!" comin)

If any division or pride has arisen on my part or b/c of me, I apologize and ask for your forgiveness. It was not my intent to do so. I think Jim made a good point on a recent post he made in another thread, that his intention for this forum was to build each other up, not just debate and argue within the brethren without courteous interaction.

You know you brothers can debate this subject until Jesus comes back and all that will happen will be the creation of more hard feelings.

Greektim, we here are willing to take a stand for truth. The truth is found in the King James Bible. What Bible do you stand on for truth? I don't see that you believe any of them are truth because you use so many of them. I pray you are not confusing the people of your congregation in the same manner as you have been confused.

Neither side will apparently cause the other side to change their mind. Greektim, your constant defense of the modern versions and your reliance on the Greek text (which by the way is not the proper Greek text in that the original manuscripts of the Bible have been long lost,) are creating difficulties here. I had asked before why you choose to stay here. I pray it is not to continue to defend a position we feel indefensible.

Brother Miller, please don't get so upset at the things Greektim says. It is my suggestion that when posting it is wise to remember the fruit of the Spirit, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.

I also believe perhaps this subject ought to die. It is quite disturbing to me for a number of reasons.

One thing I would like to address is that the Textus Receptus DID exist prior to the 1600's. It was just not titled Textus Receptus. It had to have existed prior to that time if it was compiled and accepted as the Textus Receptus in the 1600's. If not then where did it come from? Did someone make it up or pull it out of a hat as a man pulls a rabbit out of a hat? In fact I sincerely believe the content of the Textus Receptus existed in the First Century or at the latest the Second Century.

And no, the apostles and Christ did not speak the English of the King James Bible. That was a ludicrous question and I hope it was made in jest.

All-in-all I think it best if we just leave this subject be.

In Christ,
George

The End.

I, speaking for myself, have not only decided to invoke the personal separation as the Bible requires me to do, I have done it. I will not longer respond to any of your posts Greektim and it is my prayer the administrators of this forum will sever your relationship with the rest of us who are God-fearing and abide by His Word as found in the One True Bible. Scholarship is the downfall of many Churches these days. I do not want to see it become the downfall of this forum.

In Christ,
George

Yes Borther George,I think some of these so-called Bible scholar`s should be tossed.They attack the Word of God on this forum,and many other so-called Fundamental Forums,and the weak in faith,these brethren`s faith is raped,of the Word of God.

Someone,that knows nothing of the critical text,can be brain-washed to believe any per-version is the Word`s of God,from the 1881 RV on down the pipeline of per-versions.

Wescott and Hort has and continues to destroy faith in God`s preserved Word`s.I think they are begging for a drop of water to cool their scorched tongues.


There is proof enough in these many video`s online to let the weak minded be made strong minded when it comes to the apostasy of Bible Believing people in the preserved Word of God.

I call them Christians with no Bible.

http://bevros.org/dbs_index.htm

This post was last modified: Mon Jun 09, 2008 08:45 AM by james516.

As for KJV supporters, which is worse? A man who knows the truth and yet does not adhere to it in life and practice, or one who has not the truth, but reflects the truth in life and practice?

Just some thoughts.....

Brother Jim some good thoughts.

Not knowing {i.e.believing}the truth and attacking others that do,is not in anyway reflecting Godliness but showing what Pride driven men are guilty of.

Also brother Jim if UnGodlieness is taking a stand for attacks and evil intentions against God`s Preserved Word`s {KJB} so be it.