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james516
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Whats going on in Church?
I live in North Central Louisiana.
Church`s are on every corner and only 2 IFB KJB within 15 miles of my home and and one AMA Baptist KJB.There are more SBC`s than anything.Pentecostal oneness x Methodist and Episcopal`s x Catholic x Assemblies of God x word of faith x Mormon x JW`s.
You can set in most any of these parking lots and see some of the women dressed for sin.The Mormon and JW`s cult`s will put the others to shame in modest dress and hair pertaining to so-called bible believing Church`s.
You attend the larger Church`s and its like going into a house of madness with the dress and music they play.
Most of the Old Country Baptist have very few in attendance and most are the elderly that dress modestly and sing from the Old Hymnals but few use the KJB in the Southern Baptist Assemblies.
In my community its more like going to a entertainment festival with Church`s having raffles at the end of services for big screen tv`s ect.
I dont believe in their doctrine 100% but I would be more blessed by attending a Church of Christ {so-called}because they only tolerate modest dress and hair and use only the old hymnals.
The end is near and if these people would get back to the KJB and modest dress and old hymnals and preach hell for the lost and heaven for the saved and deliverance for the captives I believe Revial would breakout as in the days of old.
Whats your thoughts?
I just quit my local country SBC because they hired a new elderly preacher that came preaching and teaching from his well worn NKJV.I just could not follow him nor my wife out of our KJB`s when he was reading his NKJV and I figured if we are not in the same book we are in the wrong place.
In Christ.
Bro Miller.
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
I think that a lot of churches today are leaning towards the "politically correct" way of thinking. "Don't rock the boat" and "let's show love to all" are becoming the motto of the new age church.
As hard as it is for some to accept, Christ was all about loving your fellow man, but not at the expense of the Gospel Truth. Jesus called it as He saw it, without apology or correction. In today's society, that has become unacceptable to some. People don't want to hear how bad they are, or how they should be living, they just want a "quick and easy" fix. There was a time when life had eternal consequences, and the church made it clear what they were. Not any more! Nowadays the church is all about "do your best" and "it's OK to be who you are". What surprises me is the attitude of "Christians" who honestly believe that sin is not sin any more, and just living a good life is enough. To them, sin is something that no longer exists, and is just a Bible tale made to scare people into believing.
I wonder how many of them will stand before God and tell Him that? How many will argue with the Almighty and tell Him," But that's not fair! I did the best I could do!" as He condemns them to Hell.
Living my life one day at a time
Robert
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
The problem I see today is that a lot of people want to live as close to hell as they actually can without falling into it.
However...I read a thing not too long ago which said the fastest growing group of Christians in the United States lately is the fundamental Baptists. In fact it went on to say that membership in the fundamental Baptist Churches is only exceeded by the membership of the Roman Catholic Church. I do not recall where I read this but I will try to find it so I can post it.
In Christ,
George
(Galatians 5:1) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
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| Tue May 27, 2008 02:08 PM |
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
The problem I see today is that a lot of people want to live as close to hell as they actually can without falling into it.
However...I read a thing not too long ago which said the fastest growing group of Christians in the United States lately is the fundamental Baptists. In fact it went on to say that membership in the fundamental Baptist Churches is only exceeded by the membership of the Roman Catholic Church. I do not recall where I read this but I will try to find it so I can post it.
In Christ,
George
Amen to that, George!
Recently my sister-in-law had made a statement that blew me away!
She said that she claims to believe in God just in case the Bible is true!
How wrong and misguided she is! Only through faith in Christ will she ever be with Him for eternity. "Pretend salvation" won't cut it with God at Judgement, to be sure!
Living my life one day at a time
Robert
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| Tue May 27, 2008 02:21 PM |
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james516
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
Wanted to share bruce`s email to me please comment on what you think of this one.He is a real doozie..
In Christ Brother Miller.
Brother Miller,
Does this one mean anything to you:
"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee:
go, and sin no more." (John 8:11 KJV)
Was Jesus just joking around when He command the woman to "sin no more" or
did He mean what He said?
"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might
destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit
sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God." (1 John 3:8-9 KJV)
And of course that takes us back to this one:
"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten
of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 John 5:18
KJV)
Why is it Brother Miller that you choose to believe in OSAS? What "sins" do
you want to hold on to? What sins do you love more than Jesus?
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3 KJV)
You have a very serious problem Brother Miller. Do you really want to be set
free from your "sin" or do you want to continue in your "sin"? The choice is
yours and your everlasting life depends on what choice you make!
Don’t play with God, He ain’t nothing to play with,
As I looked around to see, what the Lord has done for me,
Don’t you play with God, He ain’t nothing to play with.
People all going to church, don’t know what it’s all about,
Say you’ve been born-again, that you have no doubt,
What I can’t understand, you fail to help your fellow man,
Don’t you play with God, cause He ain’t nothing to play with.
God is Almighty, He’s got the whole world in His hands,
He can destroy, and He can defend,
He super rules the Heaven and earth, take His Word for what it’s worth,
Don’t you play with God, cause He ain’t nothing to play with.
Some of you so-called Christians, claim that you’re living right,
You don’t know nothing about Jesus, you can’t see The Light,
Out of all you say and do, I’ve got news for you,
I said don’t you play with God, cause He ain’t nothing to play with.
In the Lord Jesus Christ,
Bruce (and Lisa)
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| Tue May 27, 2008 02:58 PM |
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
I'm not sure exactly what to say about that.
If I am understanding what Bruce is saying, then he believes that once saved, you never sin again. If you do, then you aren't truly saved. Is that about right?
If so, then this man needs to go back and re-learn what salvation is about!
Salvation is not a free pass nor is it a way to never sin again. We are sinners saved by grace and nothing more. So long as we live in this flesh, we will sin. The difference is that we are forgiven of our past sins at the time of salvation, and are held accountable for our present and future sins. As a Christian, I cannot run out and do as I please without paying the consequences for my sinful actions. I must recognize sin for what it is, and go before Christ with a repentant heart and ask that He forgive me. I must also endeavor to live a sin-free life as modeled by Christ, which is not possible as long as I am a mortal human. Can we live a sin-less life? Absolutely! Can we live a sinless life? Absolutely not!
I heard it explained this way: once you become a Christian and are filled with the Holy Spirit, you develop a conscience, and that is your "internal" guide throughout your earthly existence.
Through the Holy Spirit in my life, I know when I have done wrong. I know when I have sinned. And I know that I must confess that sin to God. He knows all and sees all, but we are expected to bring our shortcomings to Him freely and in repentance.
Don't know if this helps any, but it is my point of view on the subject.
Living my life one day at a time
Robert
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| Tue May 27, 2008 03:22 PM |
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james516
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
Brother RobNC1966.
I believe that this bruce fella believes in sinless perfection and says the only sin if it is one? then he is guilty of it, is drinking milk and eating cookies.How foolish and nothing more than a self righteous hypocrite.The best of the best preachers have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.I will be working on another lesson for bruce and will post here when I get done with it.
Those that think they are living sinless lives and saved and holy are the ones going to bust hell wide open if they die in that condition.They dont know a thing about humility nor pride.
In Christ.
Brother Miller.
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| Tue May 27, 2008 06:42 PM |
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
Here is lesson two I sent bruce.
Brother Bruce here is lesson two.
{The Spiritual Birth}
{John 3:6}KJB
The last lesson presented the natural birth in the flesh and the sin nature which men inherit.Lesson two here concerns the spiritual birth and what it produces.
The Birth
A.The new birth is a spiritual birth.Jesus said,except a man be born of water and of the Spirit {i.e.Holy Spirit}he or she cannot enter into the Kingdom of God [John 3:5].of water and of the Spirit [i.e,Holy Spirit]can be translated "of the Spirits cleansing".The Holy Spirit indwells and seals believers,thus cleansing them {Read Ephesians 1:13,14}KJB.
B.The Spiritual birth is necessary to salvation.Jesus said,"ye must be born again"[John 3:7].
C.The new birth bruce comes by believing in Jesus."Whosoever believeth in him"{John 3:16}
D.By the new birth believers Gain a new holy nature.The Holy Spirit creates the new nature as He the Spirit of truth enters the believer in regeneration.{Titus 3:5,John 6:63.
The Product.
Bruce seven terms name the new nature.
A.Spirit.--in contrast to the flesh.Jesus said,"that which is born of the Spirit [i.e.Holy Spirit]is Spirit {John 3:6}St Paul wrote,"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,that we are children of God "[Romans 8:16].
B.New Creature.--In contrast to the natural man.The new nature of the believer is a new creature in Christ Jesus,[2nd Corinthians 5:17].The new creature will manefest itself in good works,[Ephesians 2:10].The new creature loves God and everthing Godly.He or she loves the Word of God,feeds upon it,and rejoices in its teachings.Read [Psalm 119:11-16].
C.The New Man.--In contrast to the old man.
St Paul encouraged the Ephesians to put on or manifest in their lives the new spiritual man.[Read Ephesians 4:24].
D.The Inward Man.--In contrast to the outward man.The inward man delights in the Law of God,[Romans 7:22].The inward man grows while the outward man dies,[2nd Corinthians 4:16]The growth of the inward man is the work of the Holy Spirit.[Ephesians 3:16].Therefore bruce St Paul admonished "Grieve not the Holy Spirit"[Ephesians 4:30].
E.Christ`s Spirit.--In contrast to the fleshly heart.Christ`s Spirit lives in the believer in the person of the Holy Spirit,[Romans 8:9].Along side the fleshly heart with it`s evil motivations dwells the Spirit of Christ promoting Godliness.[Read Romans 8:5].
The presence of Christ`s Spirit assures the believer in sharing Christ`s:
-Sonship [1st John 3:1,2]
-Righteousness [Phillipians 3:9]
-Holiness [1st Corinthians 1:30]
-Peace [Phillipians 4:7]
-Love [1st John 3:1;4:19]
-Sufferings [Romans 8:18]
-Resurrection [Phillipians 3:21]
-Glory [Romans 8:17]
F.The Mind.--In contrast to the carnal mind.St Paul bruce spoke of a Godly mind in contrast to the flesh.A mind that served the law of God [Romans 7:25]He told the Corinthians that the believer had the mind of Christ,[1st Corinthians 2:16]Hw admonished the Phillipians to allow the mind of Christ to "be in you"or to rule over you [Phillipians 2:5,4:8]
Bruce to the Romans St Paul said "to be spiritually minded is life and peace"[Romans 8:6].When the spiritual mind controls the believer,one will have abundant life and the peace of God will keep their heart and mind.[Read John 10:10;Phillipians 4:7].
G.The Divine Nature.--In contrast to the sin nature.Because believers are born of God they are partakers of the Divine nature.[Read John 1:13;2nd Peter 1:4].Even as God cannot sin,neither can the believer`s new Divine nature sin [1st John 3:9].
Conclusion of lesson two
Bruce God creates the new nature in believers only.Without faith in Christ,men will continue in condemnation and their lives will exist in the flesh nature only.
Have you allowed Christ to enter you?{John 11:26}.
Lesson three will be Winning the conflict {1st John 4:4}
In Christ.
Brother Miller.
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Living my life one day at a time
Robert
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Excellent!
Indeed, well done Brother!
(Galatians 5:1) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
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| Wed May 28, 2008 12:07 PM |
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
Thank you brothers for your kind words.I thought I posted the 1st lesson I sent to bruce but guess not it is below of a 4 part lesson.He was hitting me daily with his ideas of a true believer can fall from grace until the two lessons I wrote out and sent him.I haven`t done part three or four yet but will send to him soon.
In Christ
Brother Miller.
Im working on a four lesson series here is the 1st of four im going to send you brother bruce.
Lesson one.
Title:The Natural Birth.
The Birth.
A.God created Adam and Eve,the first man.He created man as flesh yet without sin.{Genesis 2}KJB.
B.God gave Adam one law by which to live;not to eat of the tree of knowledge.Adam broke God`s law and became a sinner.{Genesis 3}KJB.
C. Every human is a descendant of Adam.Each one inherits the sin nature from Adam.Read {Psalm.51:5,58:3,John 3:18,Romans 5:12.
Discussion:When does a human become a sinner;at conception;at birth;or at the first act of sin?
The Product.
Seven names describe man`s sin nature.
A.Flesh
Jesus said,"That which is born of flesh is flesh"{John 3:6}KJB.The flesh cannot please God,therefore it is condemned before God.Read Romans 8:8.The flesh profits man nothing.
Solomon concluded concerning the flesh,[all is vanity]Eccl 12:8.Read John 6:63.
Men cannot claim any righteousness in their flesh.The Bible delares as with a trumpet that the righteousness of man {bruce meaning the very best they as you can do}is as filthy rags before God Almighty.{Read Isaiah 64:6}Bruce St Paul wrote,"In me {that is in my flesh}DWELLETH NO GOOD THING.{Romans 7:18}.
B.The Natural man {Read 1st Corinthians 2:14}
C.The Old man {Read Ephesians 4:22}
D.The Outward man {Read 2nd Corinthians 4:16}
E. The Heart.
Jesus Christ Bruce attributed evil to the heart,{Read Matthew 15:19}.God Almighty Bruce ordered the judgment of the great flood upon the world because of the evil of man`s heart.{Read Genesis 6:5;Jeremiah 17:9}
F.The Carnal mind.St Paul wrote Bruce that the carnal mind {including yours and mine}was at enmity or conflict with God and that it would bring about the death or destruction of the Christian`s life,{Read Romans 8:6-8}St Paul Bruce accused the Corinthians of being carnal.He Bruce blamed their problems upon their condition of carnality.
Bruce to be carnal is to allow the carnal mind the freedom to control and influence one`s life,this thinking and walking as men.{Read 1st Corinthians 3:3}
G.Sin.
"Sin" does not refer to one`s "sins"Bruce but to one`s sin nature.After salvation.Bruce our "sins"are covered by the blood of Christ.We may be chastised for "Sins"but never be condemned.{Read Hebrews 12:6;Romans 8:1.Bruce however,the "sin"nature still remains and motivates us toward "sins".
Result
A.The sin nature bruce sets men in the direction of death and hell.God warned Adam that sin would result in death.{Read Genesis 2:17}.St Paul wrote also "the wages of sin is death"{Read Romans 6:23}
B.Bruce man in the flesh nature is under the curse of death,helplessly doomed to eternal seperation from God.{Read Revelation 20:14,15}concerning the fate of the lost.
Responcibilty
A.Bruce Jesus Christ paid the price of sin for every human being.He accomplished this when He have Himself as the blood sacrifice at Calvary.John called Him,"the Lamb of God"which taketh away the sin of the world"{Read John 1:29}.
B.Bruce based upon the sacrifice of Jesus Christ,God wrote every human`s name in the Lamb`s book of life.{Read Luke 10:20;Phillipians 4:3}
The book of life declared the believer`s opportunity to eternal life.If one believes in Christ,his name remains in the book of life forever.However bruce if he or she rejects Christ his name is removed from the book of life.{Read Revelation 3:5,22:19}Bruce he that rejects the perfect Word of God also rejects Christ.
C. Man`s responcibility in view of the sin nature is to accept God`s Son as Saviour,{Read Isaiah 45:22;John 3:16}
Conclusion to lesson one.
A.Through the natural birth,man is born a sinner condemned.
B.Christ,through His blood,offers eternal life to every person.
C.Have you accepted the free gift of God;eternal life through Jesus Christ?{Read Romans 6:23}
Lesson two will be on The Spiritual Birth.
In Christ.
Brother Miller.
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
As hard as it is for some to accept, Christ was all about loving your fellow man, but not at the expense of the Gospel Truth. Jesus called it as He saw it, without apology or correction.
I agree, and I believe that this is a key area where the mistakes are being made. There seems to be an increasing humanist influence where love your neighbour as yourself interprets an action based on its affect on one's neighbour. If someone is offended, that which has offended them is deemed to be wrong (not always the case) and has to change.
I'm reminded of the rich man who came to Jesus asking what he had to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus gave him the requirements and the rich man went away sad. Did Jesus have a change of heart? Did Jesus worry more about the rich man being sad?
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RE: Whats going on in Church?
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
That's what's happening to the Church.
II Corinthians 10:5
"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself
against the knowledge of God,
and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"
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