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[PAULMCCLUSKEY]

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE NIV ?

[Raymond]

Open your NIV and tell me what Acts 8:37 says.

Here it is in the KJV

Acts 8

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


Ray

[PAULMCCLUSKEY]

Raymond Wrote:Open your NIV and tell me what Acts 8:37 says.

Here it is in the KJV

Acts 8

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


Ray

It has it as a footnote!

[Jim]

Shorter question to answer,

What's right with the NIV?

[NCUNIT33]

The Not Imspired version is really a inspired perversion
Proverbs 30:5-6 Romans 1:25
It's not that they changed it into a modern translation as much as they changed the word meaning from the original Hebrew and Greek. They did not change what was as some would say the difficult passages, but changed what they knew to be plainly true You will not find Sodomite in the NIV, you will not find many direct refferences to the blood in the NIV, even the diety of Jesus is taken away in many verses in the NIV.
Revelation 22:18-19
The reason so many people today say they need a new version of the bible is they say it is hard to understand, today we have more degrees and graduates than ever before, and yet we lack understanding
Romans 1:22
Maybe our common sense is gone as well. My Grand father who had little education was able to understand it, I have been blessed with formal education and i understand it. What is the problem with understanding the Bible. The new perversions also read at a higher grade level than the King James Bible..... It's not that they want a better translation, but maybe they want to alter the best translation we have!
In the last twenty or thirty years we have seen several translations and yet the English language has not changed during that time.
Maybe the reason they have so much trouble with the King James Bible is it is a spiritually diserned book, and with out the Holy Spirit leading us, and guiding us to all truth (John 16:13) we will not understand God's Word!


You better read it, Heed it, and Honor it!

Jim Norman
Northside Baptist Church

[Guest]

I can't tell you how refreshing it is to find this website, which I came across today. There are so few that defend the KJV as the infallable word of God that sometimes it seems we're alone, but like Elijah, God shows us that there are still a few that haven't bowed down to Baal, or in this case, newer Bible versions.

[Guest]

Psalm 12:6 says the words of the Lord are pure words! That's good enough for me to stick with this blessed old book!

[George]

I will tell you in two very short verses what is wrong with the NIV:

(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Bible is not the inspired Word of God as some are prone to say if they even give it that much credit. The Bible is God's Wordswritten down by man as directed by the Lord or through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

The NIV leaves out verses, changes the meaning of Scripture (See John 8:32) and generally is a perversion of Scripture. It is not worth the paper it is written on and is very often used by those looking for an easier way out because they do not want to be bothered to have to really put any work into understanding God's Words.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

[Guest]

I try to avoid volatile language. Although the NIV is not my favorite version, it can't be called a perversion if it has led people to a closer walk with the Lord. I know some very godly believers who use the NIV. To deny that God can bless people with translations other than the KJV is just palin silly (but don't let me stop you).

[George]

What is volatile about the use of the word "perversion?" Look at the definition and root of the word.

Quote:Main Entry: 1per?vert
Pronunciation: p&r-'v&rt
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French pervertir, from Latin pervertere to overturn, corrupt, pervert, from per- thoroughly + vertere to turn

Notice that it means to overturn and/or corrupt. The NIV both overturns and corrupts the language and intent of the original meaning of the Bible and is therefore a perversion by definition.

Now if you have assigned some other meaning to the word I don't know what to tell you.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

[Jim]

Quote:Although the NIV is not my favorite version,

Your favorite version? Is that anything like your favorite flavor of ice cream? Hmmmm..... I like chocolate because it tastes good. Of course that is the reason we read the KJV, isn't it? because it's our favorite?

Quote:I try to avoid volatile language

Volatile language. Isn't that a word that explodes if you use it? Yes, I would try to avoid that, also. My head exploding simply because of my choice of words would not be fun if this were the result.

Quote:it can't be called a perversion if it has led people to a closer walk with the Lord.

While I cannot argue this, I must also say that many books other than the bible has brought people to a "closer walk" with the Lord.

Quote:I know some very godly believers who use the NIV.

What, to your mind, is a godly believer? Most "believers" I have met have been very godly. Trouble is, it is difficult to distinguish which "god" they believe in.

Quote:To deny that God can bless people with translations other than the KJV is just palin silly

I didn't see anyone claiming this. I do however, believe God to bless through the bible.

Guest, you are arguing moot points. Unfortunately for you, your moot points are based on your ideas of how things should be. This is typical of people who are in defense for the MV's. They can give no biblical explanation of "why" they exist or why we "needed" them. They are bad examples of translations that can no longer occur in today's language, as our language itself has taken a turn for the worse. If you want to give your "opinion" in a factual environment, learn to back it up with scripture, don't just prove to everyone that you believe in today's secular fallacy.

[NCUNIT33]

Brother Jim,
Well said my brother
We need to find the old paths, and walk in them Jeremiah 6:16

Doing Right may not be popular
Doing right may not be praised
Doing right may not be pleasant
I still want to do right....In order to get a well done we must do well
Proverbs 4:26


Jim Norman

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Paul,

Try Answering These From Your NIV



By Rex L. Cobb

INSTRUCTIONS:

Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.

Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).


Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."


According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?


According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?


According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?


In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.


In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________


According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?


According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?


In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?


In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?


In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?


According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?


In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?


John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?


What happened each year as told in John 5:4?


In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?


In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?


What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?


Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.


Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?


Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.


First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?


In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?


Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?


Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"

Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.

(Ed. These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?

If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

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Here is a link I found real interesting.

http://av1611.org/kjv/nivteen.html <--- See what the teen NIV has to say about the word sex.

[George]

Jack, I found this thing that you posted about the NIV "test" fascinating and also of a potential great value in teaching people what the real Bible has to say.

Is this material available for copying and using? Is there a copyright holder that has to be contacted before it is used to pass on to others?

I would sincerely love to be able to copy it and use it in teaching others. We have a guy in our Reformers Unanimous chapter that still sticks with the NIV. I have been trying to convince that it is not right. This would be a very valuable tool.

Thenk you in advance for your reply.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce