Homosexuality is against God's Word

[sunny marie baudelaire]

i have a christian friend who think being gay is okay, what should i tell him/her?

[Jim]

Thank you young lady for forming this into a God-honoring question.

My answer to your friend would simply be:

Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Men and women who try to justify their state either

a) know what they are doing is wrong or
b) have no idea what the bible says on the subject.

Either way, their critical issue is their salvation, not their view of things. If they are not a christian, then their views will not be Gods.

Hope this helps,

Jim

[sunny marie baudelaire]

thanks

[Grizz..]

Hi sunny marie,

I believe that you should let your friend know that God loves the homosexual Communities but HE does not love their life style.

Jim is correct in his reply to you.


God is 1million % against same sex ralationships, but not the person, and the reason why I said it this way was because: God had man and woman to be together.

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Gen. 2:24.

Not to mention other verses that has, "his wife": Gen 3:21 Gen. 11:31. Gen. 12:11. Gen.19:26. Gen. 20:17. Gen. 24:7. Exodus 18:5. Matthew 19:9. Matthew 22:25. Mark 10:11. and last but not least, Eph 5:31.

It is in the old and new testement that a man is to leave his mother and father and shall cleave/ be joined to his wife.
check out the underlined verses.

God made THE way that should be shared with ALL human life.

God knew what He was doing in the begining, He made man, which carries sprim, He made women which carries eggs, when joined together as husband and wife,then came romantically came together, a child conveived and born. Same sex couples can not do this because the fact remains that this proformance is not natural for a same sex couple and they can not reproduce the same way a woman and man /husband and wife can.

God doesn't hate the Homosexual/Lesbian Communities, HE Hates the Sin,{ What ever goes against Him and His Holy Word}, God doesn't attack the homosexual/lesbains in His Holy Word,HE Hates the Sin and he expresses it HIS Way.

On the other fact, If The Bible said that HE hated the homosexual/lesbain communities,and if the bible stated that God had no mercy on them, Don't you{anyone} think that he would have killed them LONG AGO. God IS LONG SUFFERING,and wants the Homosexual/Lesbian Communities to repent and be saved, and what a lot of Christians need to do is STOP making God out to be a Homosexual/Lesbian Hater, by THROUGHING Gods Word in their faces, All Christians have to do is Talk to them and let then know that God Loves them as well as He loves a straight sinner.

sunny marie,
This is something that you can show your friend also.

God Bless,
Grizz..

[freeindeed]

I see this was back in April..."sunny," how did the talk with your friend go? Was your friend struggling with homosexuality or simply supporting it? Responses to those two different people would look a little different.

I must say, I visit these boards every-once-in-a-while, and in all the times past, I've never went beyond the threads debating Calvinism (since that was something I was dealing with at the time). I never noticed all this other stuff! This is great!

That being said, I just posted something in another thread about homosexuality here...and I found this one...it seems I can help some people, perhaps? I used to struggle with homosexuality, so I offer any advice you might still need. Just ask.

Blessings to you,
Chris

[PAULMCCLUSKEY]

I think one of the problems is that many Christians are more concerned with popularity and being seen to be liberal than they are with the Word of God.

[Jon-a-Baptist]

What the church genuinely needs to do is to not get sucked into the semantics of the politically correct crowd. It is not a "lifestyle", it is a sin. Alcoholism is not an "disease", it is a sin. We need to return to the day when sin was called by its name. This does not by any means indicate that we should be mean spirited toward those struggling with one particular sin or another because we are all, apart from Christ, under the curse of the law. With meekness and much prayer we should seek to lift up the fallen and bring sight to the blind.

[Nate]

Jon-a-Baptist Wrote:This does not by any means indicate that we should be mean spirited toward those struggling with one particular sin or another because we are all, apart from Christ, under the curse of the law. With meekness and much prayer we should seek to lift up the fallen and bring sight to the blind.

This is a key statement. Jesus blasted the Pharisees for their self-righteousness. If we approach a brother or sister in a mean spirited way, it will most certainly make things worse than they already are. We should by no means sugar coat the truth and yet be mindful of our own attitude so as not to cause any hindrance to the impact of the truth.

[candlelight]

Jon-a-Baptist Wrote:What the church genuinely needs to do is to not get sucked into the semantics of the politically correct crowd. It is not a "lifestyle", it is a sin. Alcoholism is not an "disease", it is a sin. We need to return to the day when sin was called by its name. This does not by any means indicate that we should be mean spirited toward those struggling with one particular sin or another because we are all, apart from Christ, under the curse of the law. With meekness and much prayer we should seek to lift up the fallen and bring sight to the blind.

Amen! I knew a man years ago who was/is a homosexual and I really believe that he was/is desperately trying to get out of this lifestyle. He was my hair stylist. When Bush/Kerry were running against each other for POTUS he told me he was voting for Bush. I was shocked, so I asked him why? He liked what Bush stood for and against. He said that he chose to be a homosexual. God did not make him that way. He also revealed to me that his poor life choices made him sin in that way. He said that his brother is a womanizer for that very reason. I told him about an on-line site that I had heard from a girl at my IFB church to help sodomites. Later, I would find out that she and another gal in my church also got their hair styled by this man. Coincidence? I don't think so. Well...studies have come out to prove that homosexuality is not linked to a genetic deficiency. Just as we all know, God would not make a person that way. I will have to talk with my sister about the link, as she was the one who told me about the scientific study that was conducted a few years ago. Btw, if you do a Google search you can find a reputable Internet site to help your friend out of this sin. God bless.

Deuteronomy 23:17-18...17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. "Immoral People Won't Be in Heaven"

[SummerHarvest]

I have a question that runs along this thread. As i mentioned in another thread some of the kids my son grew up with have decided to be gay. Two of which are sons of my friends. They know it is wrong. They also know what the Lord has to say on the subject. They are convienced that if they are patient there parents (and others) will get use to it and come to accept it. My question is I don't know how to act when I have occasion to be around them. I am courteous and have in the past had a quiet conversation that expressed that they need to change their life style and get right with the Lord. They have been told that it is a choice and not something they have to do. But now what do I do. I don't want them to think that I have grown to accept there perversion. I am polite when I have occassion to be around them or run into them. I would appreciate suggestions.

[George]

I must ask in this case what is the occasion by which you happen to run across them? I pray it is not in a social situation or that your children are not bringing them into your home. We are distinctly told by the Bible not to hang around people such as this. In Reformers Unanimous one of our Ten Principles says: Those who do not love the Lord will not help us serve the Lord. What is our purpose here on earth if not to serve the Lord? While it is true that we are also required to be pleasant to them when we do happen to cross their path such as in a grocery store, shopping mall or something like that we are not to socialize with them. If there is some circumstance that is placing you in a position of being around them more than just once in a while in a chance meeting then I really believe that needs to be taken a look at.

In Christ,
George

[George]

This is definitely related and is something that I cannot let pass by without comment. I saw yesterday that president-elect Barak Obama has decided to do away with the "don't ask, don't tell" aspect of allowing homosexuals in the military service of our country. He has determined to allow homosexuals to openly serve in the military.

The "don't ask, don't tell" program was wrong from the get-go. This one is even worse. Let me relate a story to you that happened to me and a whole bunch of other men when I was in the Navy.

One day while on watch at the Naval Communications Station on Guam during the Viet Nam War we got extremely busy. We were already the world's largest Naval Communications Station by traffic volume but things were heating up in Viet Nam and a lot of traffic (messages) were coming into and necessarily going out of our facility. We found out later it was the start of the TET Offensive.

One of my best operators was missing. I was the section supervisor that day. Since it happened to be on the day watch our division officer was in his office. I went in and asked permission to speak to him and I told him that Kelly was not here and I needed someone to go to the barracks and get him out of the rack. The division officer told me I would have to get along without him for a time as Kelly was in the Captain's office. I asked that when he came back he be sent immediately out on the floor so he could go to work. I desperately needed him at his normal work station. The fellow I had there just could not handle things.

About half an hour later Kelly comes in, in his dress whites. He come over to my desk when I said, "Kelly, you can't work in your whites. Get back over to the barracks and change into your dungarees so you can get to work." Kelly told me it was going to be a while because he had to go back to the old man's office in a while.

About an hour went by and things were getting worse. I asked the division chief if we go see if anyone was up and about in the barracks that we could bring in for help. I then went to our division officer again and told him that I really needed Kelly. Mr. Hjort,, the division officer, told me I would have to learn to work without Kelly because he was out of the Navy. Of course I immediately asked how I could apply for that program. I was told, "All you have to do is be queer." I did not quite understand what I was being told so I asked the division officer if he meant that Kelly was a fairy? I was told that he was.

I cannot describe ot you the way I felt at that moment. It was a feeling of complete nausea, revulsion, shock, chills, goose bumps and you name it. I asked the division officer, "Do you mean the guy that we have been living in the barracks with for the past year and taking showers with and things like that is a queer. Mr. Hjort said, "That's right."

I believe at that moment I understood quite a bit of what a woman experiences when she has some guy undress her with his eyes. It was an absolutely horrible feeling for me and all of the other men in the barracks when I had to tell them. I was the barracks petty officer so it fell on my shoulders to tell everyone that for the last year there had been a fairy taking showers with us and such.

I do not believe that homosexuals ought to be allowed in the military under any circumstances. It is wrong. If they are to be allowed to serve I sincerely believe they ought to be segregated. My word, they do not let the men live together with the women in the same spaces why would someone, whether it be a male or female fairy, be allowed to live in the same spaces as those they have sexual interests in? I tell you Brothers and Sisters, it still brings chills to me when I think of this incident. I felt that approximately 60 men who lived in our level of the barracks had been violated. It is just wrong.

In Christ,
George

[candlelight]

That is right, George. In fact, this man had been cutting my son's hair since he was 2 (my son is now 18.) Although, my son started going to his dad's barber...I remained loyal to this man until I got saved. I was saved on May 10, 2003...(I thought I was saved in March of 1998.) Well...I only had some head knowledge of salvation. I would witness to this man, and thought I was doing the right thing. After my salvation, the Lord convicted my soul that it was not right. So I began going to a lady to cut my hair. Well...actually, I trimmed it myself, until it became unruly...lol. Now, I have been convicted not to go back to her b/c she supports abortion, and hates the Jews with a passion. I am actually, loving the fact that I can trim my hair all on my own! SummerHarvest...I will find a website that you may want to share with your son's friends. I shared it with the man that I told you about.

My hubby's best customer in his auto-restoration business is a homosexual. We would have starved the first year if it weren't for his business. My hubby doesn't work on his cars that much, anymore. The man has several antique cars which my husband restores. My hubby has made it a point that "business is business." In fact, both of us have witnessed to him and his company employees. When I have to collect money for my husband from this man...I make it a point to leave Gospel tracks in their office. Everyone in my husband's business (and around the "Classic Car" business in the area) know that my hubby is a born-again Christian. He makes this clear...when having to tell them he is committed to church services, Bible study, prayer, witnessing (when the opportunity presents itself)...and other various areas of Christianity. Of course, they can see it in his high standards. The Lord gave him the strength to tell them that their would be no "Rap" "Rock" or or other such worldly music in the shop. He even rents the shop from an unsaved man...lol. "Onward Christian Soldiers"

Jude 15...To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. "The Lord is Coming to Judge Ungodly Men"

[SummerHarvest]

Candlelight: these boys have no desire to look at any website that I may suggest. You see they think we are the ones that are wrong. I tried to get one of them to do a bible study and he made it perfectly clear that would not be happening. They believe that Christians aren't loving.
George: My daughter has no contact with them at all; Sense finding out my son, who is 20, cut off all contact. I run into them at there mothers houses occasionally (they don't live in her house, but when they show up she witnesses to them). Weddings, baptisms, - occurrences at church (not my present church). This has devastated my friend, she is having a hard time making that final cut. I have told her she needs to make the cut so that he can see his sin clearly also to honor the Lord. That is when I run into them. There parents say they need to love them back to the Lord. However, I think they maybe to far gone. I do know that it is never too late for the Lord, but I also know that we can harden our heart so hard that the Lord cannot fix it. When they show up at their mothers I should excuse myself and leave. My heart just breaks for her. I cannot imagine the pain she feels.

maybe if i know they are going to be at the baptism, weddings or funrals i shouldn't go?

[George]

Quote:This has devastated my friend, she is having a hard time making that final cut. I have told her she needs to make the cut so that he can see his sin clearly also to honor the Lord. That is when I run into them. There parents say they need to love them back to the Lord. However, I think they maybe to far gone.

That is very true. I can understand the devastation because of the extreme hardship I put my family through with my addictions for so many years. However there comes a time when we have to cut someone off, no matter if it be family, and just pray for them. You see, only Jesus Christ can change the heart. It is so sad because regardless of popular position homosexuals are not born that way, they are recruited.

For many years I wanted nothing to do with my family. I just wanted them to leave me alone to do what I wanted to do. they finally gave in to my demands or got tired of trying to talk to me, one or the other. I do know that they did not give up praying for me. My goodness, when I ended up in jail twice within two months my mother, who for quite a while I honestly did not care if she lived or not, was the one who came and picked me up. When I went completely off the deep end and ended up on a suicide watch I finally surrendered to God. My sister and my brother-in-law were right there for me, not only taking me home from the hospital but taking me to Church when I told them I needed to go.

The moral of the story, if you will, is that we may have to let people go in a certain sense but keep praying for them and when they are ready to change their lives for the Lord we need to be there to support them. I can tell you after spending six years as a Christian counselor that one of the most miserable people in the world is the homosexual who knows they are wrong and are struggling mightily to turn their lives over to God. It is an addiction that is very difficult to release.

The wonderful thing about it is that if and when they determine to come to the Lord He is standing there with His hand stretched out in love and welcome. We serve an awesome God!

In Christ,
George