Enter through another way.

[psalm109:31]

Predestination is the othe way that Christ warned us about that makes those who enter that way thieves and robbers.

We are predestined, by the choice at the cross, that was given to all men by the word of God.

Quote:Deuteronomy 30:19
This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live20 and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those who believe are predestined to eternal life, those who do not are predestimned to condemnation.

The natural branches was not cut out because they were not elected or chosen, they were cut out for unbelief.

Quote:Romans 11:
19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

But praise be to God

Quote:23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Belief in Jesus is the true gate and Jesus is the key. When you enter faith without deeds is dead. You are saved not by what you have done, but what Jesus has done for you on the cross, because your debt is still payed by Jesus at the cross. Jesus has saved you from your debt by paying it Himself.

Quote:1 Peter 1:13
Be Holy
13Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."[Lev. 11:44,45; 19:2; 20:7]

17Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

22Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.[Some early manuscripts from a pure heart] 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,
"All men are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25but the word of the Lord stands forever."[Isaiah 40:6-8] And this is the word that was preached to you.

Quote:Romans 16
25Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, 26but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him? 27to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

[Jim]

Quote:Predestination is the othe way that Christ warned us about that makes those who enter that way thieves and robbers.

Why did you not give scripture for this part of your statement?

Quote:We are predestined, by the choice at the cross, that was given to all men by the word of God

How can we be predestinated by a "choice"?

Quote:Those who believe are predestined to eternal life, those who do not are predestimned to condemnation.

So belief dictates predestination, and not God? This is interesting, I would like to see this explained.

Quote:The natural branches was not cut out because they were not elected or chosen, they were cut out for unbelief.

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Belief in Jesus is the true gate and Jesus is the key.

I seem to be quoting this verse a lot for people lately:

Quote:2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So are you saying that there are devils in heaven?

Quote:When you enter faith without deeds is dead.

And what about faith?

Do you truly not understand what works vs faith really is?

Faith is what we show to God to obey Him.

Works is what we show to man to show our faith in God.

Which one is easier to use for deception?


Faith is what is required for salvation, not a single work is. Your focus on works is dangerous to yourself.

Love in Christ,

Jim

[psalm109:31]

The scripture does not teach that predestination is the front gate to God.

The scripture says that Jesus is the only way.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life no one goes to the Father except through Him.

You going to have to make a choice go through Jesus which predestins you through the words of Jesus Christ. Believe in Him and you shall not perish, but this faith without deeds is dead, or Just be aragont and say God is a respector of person and gave me a hope that He has not given to everyone else.

Calvinist do not go through the front door. They found another way,which makes them nothing but robbers and thieves.

They were cut out for unbelief, not because they were not predestined, or chosen. For God said,

Quote:Deuteronomy 7:6
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Yet He cut them out for unbelief.

So the scripture will tell you and me this.

Quote:Romans 11:19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Your hope in your predestination is a lie, you must put your hope in Jesus.

God does love the world and given the world a hope and His name is Jesus Christ, and made the elect the messenger.

God drew me to His Son, because of His love for the world, and calvinist are trying thier best to prove God out to be a liar and a deceiver.

Jesus is the front gate and anyone who teaches another way is the one who is deceived.

What about faith, Faith is given to us by God through His word, but it is our choice that God has given to us to accept it or not.

You cannot blame God for the death of many. He has given a hope to the world through Jesus Christ and made the elect the messeger of it.

May backing of scripture will always be God love for the world He gave to it throgh Jesus Christ. Which the calvinist has limited, by man made teachings called the tulip

Quote:John 3:17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

[Jim]

When the doctrine of love(humanistic love in this case) clouds over the truth of scripture, then that love is, and should be, anathema.

Quote:The scripture does not teach that predestination is the front gate to God.

There are many things that scripture does, and does not, say. Predestination is very spelled out in scripture, you simply choose to ignore it. If you need scripture see the other posts:

http://www.fundamentalpreaching.com/foru...highlight=

Quote:The scripture says that Jesus is the only way.

And how does this refute the doctrine of predestination? My friend, this verse actually serves to support it.

Quote:You going to have to make a choice go through Jesus which predestins you through the words of Jesus Christ. Believe in Him and you shall not perish, but this faith without deeds is dead, or Just be aragont and say God is a respector of person and gave me a hope that He has not given to everyone else.

Your statements are actually beginning to show that you may believe in predestination. If anything is arrogant, it is the idea that God is not sovereign, and that we actually do have something to do with our own salvation.

I am going to lock this thread as this is getting repetitive. If yo uwish to continue this discussion, please post to the location in which was already started:

Free-Will or Predestination? or both?

http://www.fundamentalpreaching.com/foru...highlight=