Global Warming.

[George]

Global warming is certainly making a mess out of the mid-West and the East isn't it? My word, we have numerous areas which have recorded the greatest snowfall they have ever had in the history of their record keeping. Temperatures are pretty bad too. I see this warming trend is also making quite a mess out of Europe.

By the way, has anybody seen or heard from Al Gore-y lately?

In Christ,
George

[Davo]

George Wrote:Global warming is certainly making a mess out of the mid-West and the East isn't it? My word, we have numerous areas which have recorded the greatest snowfall they have ever had in the history of their record keeping. Temperatures are pretty bad too. I see this warming trend is also making quite a mess out of Europe.

By the way, has anybody seen or heard from Al Gore-y lately?

In Christ,
George

I think thet go by the average temperature over the globe over the year, but how they work that out is anybodies guess.

We have had the worst winter for nearly 70 years. I heard on the radio today, that Scotland has had the worst winter for 30 years, and China has had record snowfall.

[Jerry80871852]

In order to know if the earth was warming up wouldn't they have to have the temperature for each day over the number of years the earth has existed since God created it so they could compare? As for me, I think this climate gate is all about certain people filling up their bank accounts while ripping off the American public.

Maybe Mr. Al went south for the winter and is staying quite, laying low, getting things ready for this summer when the temp is up.

[Davo]

Jerry80871852 Wrote:In order to know if the earth was warming up wouldn't they have to have the temperature for each day over the number of years the earth has existed since God created it so they could compare? As for me, I think this climate gate is all about certain people filling up their bank accounts while ripping off the American public.

Maybe Mr. Al went south for the winter and is staying quite, laying low, getting things ready for this summer when the temp is up.

I read somewhere that the Romans used to grow grapes as far north as Hadrian's Wall. Certainly in today's climate they would not grow and ripen there. Only in the South of England can they grow grapes and they have to choose early ripening varieties if grown outdoors.

[George]

Brother Jerry I believe you are correct. The thing is that we as humans have only been keeping detailed climatological records for 150 years or so. There is no way we can know what is cyclical or what is not.

I am certain most of you remember a few short years ago there was a big noise about the hole in the ozone layer that was going to allow the sun's rays to get through to us and fry us all to a crisp. A group of scientists did some ice core samples at the North Pole many hundreds of feet deep. The cores showed that the hole in the ozone layer increased and decreased in a pretty predictable cycle. All of a sudden the noise about the hole in the ozone layer disappeared.

In Christ,
George

[Jerry80871852]

George Wrote:Brother Jerry I believe you are correct. The thing is that we as humans have only been keeping detailed climatological records for 150 years or so. There is no way we can know what is cyclical or what is not.

I am certain most of you remember a few short years ago there was a big noise about the hole in the ozone layer that was going to allow the sun's rays to get through to us and fry us all to a crisp. A group of scientists did some ice core samples at the North Pole many hundreds of feet deep. The cores showed that the hole in the ozone layer increased and decreased in a pretty predictable cycle. All of a sudden the noise about the hole in the ozone layer disappeared.

In Christ,
George

Something else I wonder about, back 50 years and more ago, how accurate was the thermometers that they used? Probably many of them were off several degrees. So I feel the records they have are flawed. So you cannot come up with the right answer if you use flawed records. Of course it seems many of our scientist loves theories, so I feel sure being accurate means little to them.

But we have to understand, this world, what it holds, is all many of these climate gate people have, its the only thing they trust in. For them the truth is, this earth along with everything in and on it, and it will be destroyed by God with fire, them there will be found no place for them.

Re 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

So actually they cannot protect this earth from being destroyed, no doubt, they will fight for it until the end. If only they would read the great Book and believe. Them they would know were to store up treasures that will last.

[Upholder]

Jerry80871852 Wrote:Something else I wonder about, back 50 years and more ago, how accurate was the thermometers that they used? Probably many of them were off several degrees. So I feel the records they have are flawed. So you cannot come up with the right answer if you use flawed records. Of course it seems many of our scientist loves theories, so I feel sure being accurate means little to them.

According to the "scientists", the sea levels are rising at a rate of 2mm per year. How do they possibly think that they can accurately measure a tiny amount like that in something like water that is constantly moving all the time? And can they prove that the measuring device they use isn't actually sinking 2mm per year, rather than the sea level rising by that amount?

It's also interesting to notice how these people used to speak about "global warming", but now tend to refer to it as "climate change". Calling it "climate change" makes it harder to hold them to account for their predictions. If they say that the world is getting warmer, then they look silly when there are record cold snaps in parts of North America, Europe, and Britain. But if they say that the "climate is changing", then they can point to any change in weather patterns as "proof" of their theory.

Jerry80871852 Wrote:But we have to understand, this world, what it holds, is all many of these climate gate people have, its the only thing they trust in. For them the truth is, this earth along with everything in and on it, and it will be destroyed by God with fire, them there will be found no place for them.

Re 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

So actually they cannot protect this earth from being destroyed, no doubt, they will fight for it until the end. If only they would read the great Book and believe. Them they would know were to store up treasures that will last.

That's the big picture. Amen, and praise God for that!

[Ebenezer]

Think of climate change & we all observe that.

Think too of the NW & NE passage - once a dream of explorers, & now real. How much bigger is the Sahara desert?

Global warming is measured in various ways, including the O18 isotope in ice cores. THat heavier oxygen isotope is rarer when the global temperature is lower.

The big argument is that we want to reject what is called 'global warming' & continue our profligate life-style, confident that the Lord will rapture us within the next few years.

There IS a day of recconning coming but that date is unknown. Meanwhile we must live as good stewards of the earth for our posterity. My granddaughter is 4 today.

[George]

Quote:The big argument is that we want to reject what is called 'global warming' & continue our profligate life-style, confident that the Lord will rapture us within the next few years.

I don't believe that to be true in any way. Certainly I belong to the "anytime now" group of believers in that I do believe Jesus will come back at any time now but as far as the statement about continuing profligate life-styles, that is a bit of a stretch.

God told the people of the earth to go forth and multiply. Do you not believe that He has placed some kind of mechanism in place to deal with the foot print left by the increased number of people on that earth? We are not going to destroy the earth, God is. That is scriptural truth.

Look at the stewardship of the earth in a lot of cases. The city I live in is known as a "Tree City." One of the mechanisms God has in place to combat what are called "greenhouse gases" is trees and other plants. They absorb the carbon dioxide and release oxygen.

At my own church we have been excellent stewards of what The Lord has given us. On our back property we have literally hundreds of trees. We have construction plans for that property in the future but the plans were drawn up to uproot as few of those trees as we possibly can. Our entire area around the Church and our Christian school is full of lush, green lawns and a lot of trees and bushes.

There are requirements in place in this area that for each tree that has to be taken down three must be planted to replace one. I know that is not true in all parts of the world or even all parts of the United States but it is happening more and more. The thing is that people can't be good stewards of what God has given them when they don't even believe in God. So it is part of being good stewards to work toward soul winning.

In Christ,
George

[George]

Quote:It's also interesting to notice how these people used to speak about "global warming", but now tend to refer to it as "climate change". Calling it "climate change" makes it harder to hold them to account for their predictions. If they say that the world is getting warmer, then they look silly when there are record cold snaps in parts of North America, Europe, and Britain. But if they say that the "climate is changing", then they can point to any change in weather patterns as "proof" of their theory.

That is a rather good observation Brother. I had not thought of it that way previously but you are completely correct in that observation.

In Christ,
George

[Jerry80871852]

Right, God will do the destroying of this earth, by fire, not man.

Besides, this global warming, climate changing, climate gate, is a way for a certain group to get rich off of the fear they put in others whose treasures is this earth, what is in it or on it.

The thing about climate changing, here in the neck of those world I live in that is all we've ever had, climate changing. The only thing for sure is, if you will stick about for a while the weather will soon change to suit you, whether its spring, summer, fall, or winter. For we have a little bit of all kinds of weather around here.

Some winters are bad, some not so bad, some summers are hot and dry, some are a bit cooler and wet.

I recall one Christmas, it must have been when I was about 5 or 6, I got some type of play musical instrument, my sister another one, a neighbor girlfriend of my sisters yet another one. I remember well that Christmas Day. My grandfather set on the front porch watching us play band, we were all in short sleeves. my sister, her friend, and I sweating.

I also recall one winter it snowed so much that it filled up the bed of pick-up trucks. Now days, rightly the weather is just as unpredictable was it was them, and God is still setting on his throne, and he is still in charge as He was back them.

Man can not control this earth, our government can't, but both man and our government would not to, yet they would mess it up just like they've messed up everything else. There are many things we need to leave to God.

[Upholder]

Another thing that makes me suspicious about "global warming" is the fact that many of the scientists who believe it also believe in evolution. If they can be so wrong about the history of the world, I doubt that they will be any more correct in predicting the future of the world.

Don't forget the old story of the "Emperor's New Clothes". The concensus opinion isn't always right!

Let's suppose the world is still around in 50 years time, and the temperature and sea levels haven't risen dramatically. Will the scientists finally admit that they got it wrong? Probably not. Indeed, they might even point to the fact that these things haven't happened as "proof" of the effectiveness of the treaties, taxes, and emmisions trading schemes that are being put into place today.
So, no matter what happens, they can still say they were right! They're a clever lot.

[Jerry80871852]

No doubt, the old devil has many clever helpers, and the lost are naive enough to take what they say, hook, line, and sinker.

[Mongol Servant]

Upholder Wrote:Another thing that makes me suspicious about "global warming" is the fact that many of the scientists who believe it also believe in evolution. If they can be so wrong about the history of the world, I doubt that they will be any more correct in predicting the future of the world.

Don't forget the old story of the "Emperor's New Clothes". The concensus opinion isn't always right!

Let's suppose the world is still around in 50 years time, and the temperature and sea levels haven't risen dramatically. Will the scientists finally admit that they got it wrong? Probably not. Indeed, they might even point to the fact that these things haven't happened as "proof" of the effectiveness of the treaties, taxes, and emmisions trading schemes that are being put into place today.
So, no matter what happens, they can still say they were right! They're a clever lot.

There was an article on the news here in Mongolia that discussed how the "scientists" back in the 50's were alarmed at a phenomenon called GLOBAL COOLING, and they feared that the earth might be entering another ICE AGE!!!!

These fools would be humorous if they weren't so pathetic!

Remember Romans 1:22 - Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[Jerry80871852]

And;

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.