Why do all the baptist pastor's wife have short hair?

[Lauriek]

Amen

Jim Wrote:

Quote:First of all? Why are people looking at others in church and judging them?

Because if they judged themselves, then they wouldn't have to worry about it. Did not 1 Corinthians 11 tell us to examine or "judge" ourselves?

It is my conviction that when a person is worried about someone judging other people, it usually means that person being judged in fact has something going on in their life that needs judged, and needs to have it shown to them.

Is there somewhere in scripture where this is untrue?

Gal 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Cor 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

We do not have the right to pass a judgment upon others, but we DO, and are SUPPOSED to, examine ourselves, and also make a judgment in ourselves if a brother in Christ is in fact living a sinful life so that rebuke, reproof, or avoidance is the order of the day.

I am not saying all, but I will say most of the time, like I said above, most people make that cry about judging others because there is something in there life that is in fact sin, and needs to be dealt with. And instead of it being dealt with, they want to accuse Luke 6:37, taking it completely out of context.

For example, if I drank a glass of beer every once in a while and saw nothing wrong with it, and a brother in Christ showed me that it was wrong, I would not tell him he did not have the right to judge me, I would tell him thank you and that scripture was right, and I would stop doing it. And if I ate too much and my weight was showing it, 98% of the time it is because of two reasons. 1) Laziness and 2) gluttony.

The fact of the matter is, people have a sedentary lifestyle, and they do not portion their food portions to compensate. Our body is still a miracle of God's and we are to take care of it. It has the ability in many ways to tel lus when we are not taking care of it the way we should, and our weight is the primary sign of what out eating habits are.

I am very sorry that I went off track here, and I am sorry if I am offending anyone, but I do believe this to be a problem today and scripture is very clear on it.

Love in Christ,

Jim

[candlelight]

My point is this: Too many new Christians get run-off by people in our churches b/c of things like this. The Bible is clear that a mature believer should be aware of what scripture says about this topic. However, a new person who is seeking the Lord Jesus - most probably wouldn't know. That is why I made reference to the Old Testament pagan churches. We are to accept people as they come to us - as Jesus did. He is our ultimate authority. Anything, short of Christ is not edifying. I have seen way too many people come and go through my years as a follower of Jesus Christ. Many of them were over things like hair length and dress. *sad* I believe some of the greatest Christians vanished back into the world over a trivial debate such as this. As, dd said: "Let the Holy Spirit do His work." Too many Christians love to "Force the Spirit" and that is when we get into trouble. It is His will not our will that is to be honored and obeyed. We are ALL sinners, saved and unsaved. Again, the pastor and deacon should address this point when/if the Holy Spirit guides them to do so. It is not the business of others in the flock to criticize. As far as standards and rituals? Standards come from God - rituals come from man. If I didn't know better? I would think that I was in a conversation with people in a pagan church.

Hair and dress are cosmetic issues. I don't care for beards on men or hair that isn't very short. Is it my business to go up to a man and tell him to shave his whiskers. I think not. There are many things we would want to change about other people. I think change should come from within ourselves, though. And, Jim your example of drinking is a valid one. I hardly think that a woman's hair length and drinking alcohol fall into the same category, though. Drinking wine is wrong! It pollutes the body! How long is long hair? I would suppose it should be left up to that woman and God, again. I think that dd might have mentioned this in another post. When we get to the Judgment Seat of Christ? Many of the things that we harped on in this place called life? They might not have been so sigificant after all. Leading souls to Christ - should always be our first priority. Discipleship is the second. It is then... that a new babe in Christ will begin to learn what the Bible says. As we know... we are all students of the Word of God.

John 7:24... Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. King James Bible

In Christ Jesus ~

Molly

[Jim]

Quote:My point is this: Too many new Christians get run-off by people in our churches b/c of things like this.

Molly, I am actually going over this same basic premise with a CEO of a ministry. I am fearful for many christians today, because I feel so many people are compromising scripture just to "get people in"

Think about one small point. If the Holy Spirit is the one doing the work(John 6:44) then conversations/arguments like this are irrelavent to that person. If the person is not being convicted, then conversations like this are also irrelavent. Simply put, this is not going to cause someone to NOT be saved.

The compromise of scripture means that someone is ignoring certain aspects of it when preaching or exhorting because it is "distasteful" to the recipient. Why should we be ashamed about something scripture says very clearly when inviting someone to church, or when teaching about Jesus? What are we really telling that person? That we have certain parts of scripture it is ok to privately interpret?(2 Pet 1:20), or that we are more worried about getting people saved than being truthful? What does this say about us?

If we can be 100% truthful and have people still desire to come to know the Lord, then we will see a true conversion.

People get "conversions" all the time with whatever bill of goods they sell them in many churches today. And it is almost always at the compromise of scripture.

If people get run off by dicussions like this one, then their heart isn't in the right place after all. This isn't an argument here, it is a discussion over truth in scripture, and we should be talking about it. I think the bigger problem is that it ISN'T discussed anymore.

Yes, I understand you were talking about "new christians" but I would be guarded and say that maybe they need to take a look at their conversion experience.

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I am sure I am going to get in trouble for this one too, but you said that: "Drinking wine is wrong! It pollutes the body!"

I also find that contrary to scripture: 1 Timothy 5:23
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

wine here in the greek is "oinos", an alcoholic beverage, period. It is the same "wine" as in the following verse:

Eph 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

They must be talking about the same wine because nobody can get drunk off of grape juice.

A little alcoholic wine, drank in very light moderation is good for the body. The bible is clear on drunkenness, not on drinking.

Love in Christ,

Jim

[Jim]

I do want to add one more thing however to what Molly is trying to say.

It is not OUR concern if the pastor has a wife that has short hair. To the pastor alone does she stand or fall.

If we have a problem with it, we can attend another church, and does that make us wrong for doing that? Absolutely not.

Judgment to others seems to be the most difficult subject to broach. One party says that the judgment is good and they can be right. Another can say that a judgment is bad, and they can be right.

It all boils down to one thing which we have posted on another thread in this forum over this very subject. It all boils down to the heart. If we are concerned about obeying the Lord to the latter, then judgment in such matters in ourselves is obviously critical, because we find obedience to scripture the best way we can please the Lord.

If we find ourselves using scripture to find faults in others, then our hearts are obviously in the wrong place. Obeying scripture in truth is four ourselves, not to use as a rule accusation against others, unless it is to rebuke and reprove. And then again, that brings up another side to that argument, because if we find ourselves NOT showing others where their faults are according to scripture, then we are disobeying God.

You see, this could go back and forth all day long depending on the hearts of the individuals. If we would just all obey God's Word according to what pleases Him most, this wouldn't come up.

It would too often happen that one person would decide to exercise their liberty, and their right to do it, and nobody would argue that, but it would become clear that something may be in that persons life that was not completely right with God because of their lack of desire to serve in every aspect of scripture.

I guess that is what grace is about.

Love in Christ,

Jim

[Jerry80871852]

Fault finding.

Like the person who always says as he walks out of church, that was a great sermon, they sure needed it, as if he never need it.

In Christ,
Jerry

[candlelight]

Again:

John 7:24... Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. King James Bible


This scripture from Jesus Christ says it all!

God bless,

Molly

[Raymond]

I don't believe that its passing judgment just to ask the question why.

If some one reads what the Bible says about this issue and then looks around and see's the opposite, is it not permissible to ask what is the reason for it? Can we ever ask a question without being accused of being judgmental?

As Jim said this is a discussion, not an attempt to rail someone else. We believers of all people should be able to discuss the scriptures among ourselves, even if the end conclusion is not popular.

Just by nature of the original question, Lauriek is not referring to new Christians, but to women who are far along in their Christian walk. I think why is a fair question and should be provided with a biblical answer.

[Jerry80871852]

And of course, a person cannot make righteous judgments if they don't know God's way, we have to study the Word, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," 2 Tim 2:15, to show our self approved unto God, so that we want be ashamed when we make decision & or judgments.

No one here is advocating anyone making unrighteous judgments.

One cannot live a good Christian life without making judgments, I know the liberal crowd in recent years has come up with this not judging anything or anyone, I suppose I to would not want anyone to judge me if I were being so liberal with God's Word that I was living in sin daily. And yes, the liberal crowd is living in sin daily, for they accept almost anything joining together and worshiping God with anyone who will join together with them in worship, regardless of what they believe. Our local SBC brethren in our area will let those preachers who teach saved by works behind their pulpit and they will also attend their churches. When they join together this way they are always sure to take pictures and have them published in our newspapers. The world loves them, of course the world uses unrighteous judgments just like our liberal brethren do.

May the Lord Bless,
Jerry

Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful
works to the children of men! Psalms 107:31

[IM4given]

I do not worry about what anyone else says, does, or or how they dress. I worry about my own self. I read the scriptures, became convicted of the sin of having short hair, and I have not allowed a pair of scrissors anywhere near my hair in four years. I did allow a woman at a salon to trin the ends off while it was growing out, but even that can be tricky because the whole time they are "evening it out" it gets shorter and shorter and shorter until you have nothing left!

Now, having said that, I know that God does not always change a new Christian all at once, it seems to be a life-long process. God had a lot of bigger fish to fry when he got me into the fold, and so I had other more pending issues for the Holy Spirit to work out, long before he started requiring me wear dresses only and not cut my hair!

I think the outward appearance is sort of like the wrapping on the gift. If it is a crappy gift, it does not matter how pretty the paper and ribbons are - it is what is INSIDE that matters the most. Then after the gift is found worthy, one can start being concerned about how to wrap the gift.

Just my hillbilly 2 cents worth -

[George]

Quote:Why do all the baptist pastor's wife have short hair?

I just stumbled upon this thread and was quite taken aback at the title. It is quoted above. My answer to the question is: they don't.

Addressing things in such global, all-encompassing generalities is not only unwarranted it is not scriptural. The only thing in the entire world that is all, ever, never, forever, and other such words is the Lord God. The terms do not fit anything else. The question, which is more posed as a statement that all Baptist Pastor's wife (which should read wives) have short hair is totally untrue. In fact every Baptist Pastor's wife that I know (notice that is not the same as all) has long hair. Perhaps it is not down to their waist but it is at least shoulder length.

In Christ,
George

[Bro Nobody]

Though I agree, not all do have short hair, the discussion to that affect does deflect from her original premise of why she sees so many with noticably short hair in her opinion. I believe her observation is valid and worth noting why?

It says “does not even nature itself teach you”... If you look around the world in history most cultures picture of beauty in near all, women have much longer hair than men... The actual length is what is up for debate. But it is fair to say, the longer it is the more feminine it seems, and the shorter it is the more masculine it appears. That began to change about 100 years ago with the sufferage movement. Women began to usurpe the rule of men and began taking on more maculine roles. Not all of it bad mind you, but it was a type of pandoras box, opening more doors to spiritual decline in many ways.

I do see many young ladies living in homes where long hair is by the fathers will, who often cut it in a more worldly fashion when they are no longer under his authority. I have seen it in my kids as well. All say things like, its easier to care for, its just a make over or some other trite thing. But in reality it is just another manifestation of the rebellion found within all of us…I want it my way. I want to be unique just like everyone else…. Hmmm. We are sheep and fashion makes billions from that trait. Every one of my daughters who went off to Bible school left witht the conviction of long hair(so I thought) till they got around many others of like faith who had no issue with shorter hair and it was just fun girl stuff to change your look...(All Ind fund bapt colleges BTW)

SO the truth be told it is a little rebellion added with a sheep mindset that that leads us adrift... And this can be said about many things we christians do.... Is anyone going to hell because of short hair? No DO we have a liberty in this as to what we believe is acceptable, yes. And all will give an account before the LORD...

Old "debate" How long was Christ' hair...defiantly not long as most picture it. Nor do I believe it was short as most Baptist men/preachers now cut their hair. To cut hair trimmed short 2000 years ago would have been a wealthy roman mans haircut. Tools to cut it in that fashion even today are expensive for the truly poor. We live in a 3rd world country and see this first hand. Jesus was a poor commoner he would have had it no longer than the with of a hand that could be cut with a knife. say 4 inches.

[IM4given]

Either Jesus hair was cut with a knife like you said Bro. Nobody, or else it could have been shaved every so often. Country boys and men do that all the time - it's called a summer haircut. The blade would have been very sharp. and then just scrapped across the scalp to make it shiny. It helps with the heat and keeps down problems like headlice and dandruff too.

I agree, I hate those paintings that depict Jesus as a long-haired hippie wearing a long beard and a dress and a pair of birkenstock sandals. That was typical of the middle ages for artists to make him more "effiminate" - often with the face of a royal family member who commissioned the art work.

I think Jesus had short hair, a nicely trimmed bearded face, and he wore breeches, not dresses. But that is just me. I could be wrong, but I refuse to believe the RCC version of a weak effiminate Jesus and a strong willed Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, blah blah blah....

Preachers should clean up and dress in men's clothing and I think their wives ought to clean up and dress in women's clothing, and keep their hair long (pulled back if it is hot). That is biblical. If not, then using the brains God gave me and the discernment of the scriptures, I would not remain in such a liberal lukewarm church. Jesus might decide to come on the very day that I was at that particular church, and the Bible says He will spit out all the lukewarm churches! I don't want to lose my heavenly mansion and my golden crowns, just because I decided to "go along to get along!"