Election 2008

[james516]

Three questions.

#1.What does McCain have to offer we the people other than another 4 years of solid failure as we have had the last 8 with Bush Jr?

#2.What does Obama the closet muslim have to offer we the people except more abortion-more same sex unions to come-and laws against free speech and possibly a loss of our gun rights?

#3.If I refuse to vote am I in the wrong?

God richly bless you for your opinion.

Brother Miller.

[Harold]

I cant say anymore That it is wrong to not vote.
But if one must, vote for a good man Chuck or Ron is the only ones I can Think of.

TO VOTE FOR EITHER OF THE BIG 2 WOULD BE A SIN.

Harold

[james516]

You mean even though the men fell out of the race you can still vote for them?

[Jim]

They have not fallen out of the race. I am voting for Chuck Baldwin, he is on the ballot in my state. CHeck your state ballots and make sure.

The "media" does not like letting the public know that they have another choice other than the two-party system.

[Mongol Servant]

Amen, Bro Jim! I'll vote for Chuck Baldwin as well, but most American Christians (Baptists, 1st & foremost) will vote for the lesser of 2 evils! That's still EVIL, isn't it? Many IFB's have fell for the news mafia's trap of "if you vote for any other than McLame, you're just giving the election to the muslim." Truly sad. Alot of today's "Baptists" simply have this "bunker mentality" towards The Lord's COMMAND to occupy - that means we are to attack the devil and take ground away from him, by knowing and following our US Constitution and making the government obey it! Too many "Baptist" aren't really occupying - they've given our Christian nation over to a bunch of pagans, and are "just waiting for the shout." What a lot of lame, worthless tripe, from those who are supposed to be God's foot-soldiers. It's a battlefield, boys, not a recreation room!

[james516]

I dont find in the Bible thou shalt vote OR thou shalt not vote.If all there is to vote for is Obama or McCain I will just not vote in my community.I voted for Bush in his first run because my pastor harped on what a fine Christian Bush was until his rotten fruit exposed him.I am reading a book {The Prosecution Of George W Bush For Murder}byVincent Bugliosi that is quite interesting.

All I can say dear God you are in control and let Thy Will be done in the name of our blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.Amen!

[Bro Nobody]

Three questions.

#1.What does McCain have to offer we the people other than another 4 years of solid failure as we have had the last 8 with Bush Jr?

Palin—Being from Alaska(maybe even played her and her husband in school)Even though my flesh likes this idea of poking a finger in the lefts eye…I still have issues with the whole thing. Would not condemn a Christian for voting this way even if I abstain with a clear conscience.

#2.What does Obama the closet muslim have to offer we the people except more abortion-more same sex unions to come-and laws against free speech and possibly a loss of our gun rights?
Nothing

#3.If I refuse to vote am I in the wrong?
No vote your conscience before God… But if you are silent doesn’t that mean you agree with the outcome by default…OT principle

[james516]

Bro No-Body.

Bro sorry to hear you have no body....smile.

I assure you if all there is to vote for is McCanin or Obama I will not vote and will have a very clear conscience doing so.

God bless.

[Jim]

I cast my vote for Chuck Baldwin, my conscience is clear. God have mercy on America, I voted my principle.

http://www.baldwin08.com/

Love in Christ,

Jim

[Raymond]

I voted for Chuck Baldwin as well and I echo what Brother Jim said.

In Christ

Ray

[Bro. Chuck]

Brethren, I voted against Obama, that is voting my conscience.
In Christ, Bro. Chuck

[Jim]

Bro. Chuck, not to contradict or criticize, but how does voting against someone, by voting for someone who also does not represent christian values, if that is indeed what you did (McCain), make it ok?

Baldwin's website says it best, and I suggest everyone who believes they are a christian to read it

Quote:A Wasted Vote
by Chuck Baldwin
October 10, 2008






When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Love in Christ,

Jim

[PreacherE]

I was going to vote for Baldwin, however, he did not achieve even write-in status here in NC. Needless to say, I was disappointed.

[Jim]

Yes, there are some election problems out there that are just uncalled for.

He won't be on many states, but you can rest assured the two-party candidates will get every ounce of media coverage possible and support.

Our political government is rampant with sin, corruption, and filth, that I believe it is completely irreparable.

Another example of election problems is this:

Black Panthers intimidate voters at polls
Man brandishing nightstick says, 'We're tired of white supremacy'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...geId=80036

Can you imagine if a white man did that to a black voter? He would be arrested with no due process or anything.

Lord Jesus, come quickly.

[PreacherE]

Actually, Baldwin achieved ballot status in 47 states - 10 of which are write-in. So, the Constitution party is growing with each new election. However, I agree that our government may be past helping. I would not be surprise if within the next four years we are wholly given over to socialism and wind up becoming some kind of dictatorship.

Sometimes I wonder if the best thing would not be for a whole new revolution much like what Washington and the other Founding Fathers experienced, but most Americans would not fight for their country so long as Big Brother keeps giving them their money. It is so sad the freedoms and morals people will sell out just because a candidate promises to "spread the wealth."