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Davo · Wed Aug 06, 2008 , 08:56 PM

On an earlier thread, someone, I think it was Jim, said he thought that the Ark was in heaven. Is there any scriptural reasoning behind that? Is it possible that a physical object could be in heaven?

Brother Tim · Wed Aug 06, 2008 , 10:10 PM

Something to consider:
Jesus has a physical, though glorified, body. He ascended in the same form that He had after His resurrection.

Davo · Thu Aug 07, 2008 , 06:26 AM

Brother Tim Wrote:Something to consider:
Jesus has a physical, though glorified, body. He ascended in the same form that He had after His resurrection.

Yes, I had thought of that, but his body was not as ours. It was a resurrection body.also He could appear and disappear suddenly.

Brother Tim · Thu Aug 07, 2008 , 12:27 PM

It (Jesus' body) was still physical.
The characteristics of Jesus' body, i.e. visibility, could also apply to the things that are in heaven.
Note that I am not saying that the Ark that was present in the wilderness and in Israel is itself in heaven today. Remember that it was a pattern of that which Moses saw on Sinai.

Mongol Servant · Thu Aug 07, 2008 , 02:01 PM

Guys,

Get your Bible out and read Revelation 11:19

Davo · Thu Aug 07, 2008 , 06:10 PM

Mongol Servant Wrote:Guys,

Get your Bible out and read Revelation 11:19

Yes but that is symbolic. However, assuming it is not, when was the ark taken into heaven?

Strangely the ark is frequently mentioned until the time of Solomon, but after that not until Josiah 2 Chron 35:3.

Jeremiah mentions it , Jer. 3: 15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

I have heard it said that it can be seen on the arch or Titus, with the other objects including the candlestick being taken to Rome.

Mongol Servant · Fri Aug 08, 2008 , 03:54 PM

Very few things in Revelation are "symbolic". You've been listening to the wrong crowd. IMHO, it's not important "when" it got there, just that it is there.

Davo · Fri Aug 08, 2008 , 04:06 PM

Mongol Servant Wrote:Very few things in Revelation are "symbolic". You've been listening to the wrong crowd. IMHO, it's not important "when" it got there, just that it is there.

It is very important when it got there, does the scripture tell us when and how. How did it get from Rome to heaven?

I think you have been paying attention to Scofield and his bible, or those that follow him. I have just been reading about Cyrus I Scofield and HIS bible here: It is a long read, but eye opening.

http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/scofield1....NOTE%20107

Mongol Servant · Fri Aug 08, 2008 , 04:10 PM

Rome?! You been trained by the jesuits? I don't use a Scofield, I have a Common Man's Ref Bible (KJB), and the blessed hope (Rapture, etc) is biblical, whether or not it was propagated and published 1st in the 1500's. In any event, Revelation 11:19 still stands.

Ebenezer · Fri Aug 08, 2008 , 04:32 PM

This applies to Scofield:

1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Davo · Sat Aug 09, 2008 , 03:08 AM

Mongol Servant Wrote:Rome?! You been trained by the jesuits? I don't use a Scofield, I have a Common Man's Ref Bible (KJB), and the blessed hope (Rapture, etc) is biblical, whether or not it was propagated and published 1st in the 1500's. In any event, Revelation 11:19 still stands.

No I have not been trained by the Jesuits. On the Triumph Arch of Titus, is recorded images of the items, removed from the temple to Rome. One of the items appears to be the ark.

Mongol Servant · Sat Aug 09, 2008 , 06:08 PM

As a Bible-believer, I put more faith in what the word of God says, than what "appears" to be a man-made monument, that denigrates the Jewish ancestry and glorifies Rome!

Bro. Chuck · Mon Aug 11, 2008 , 11:43 AM

Mongol Servant Wrote:As a Bible-believer, I put more faith in what the word of God says, than what "appears" to be a man-made monument, that denigrates the Jewish ancestry and glorifies Rome!

Amen! Amen! and AMEN!!!

Ebenezer · Mon Aug 11, 2008 , 05:05 PM

The ark doesn't get a mention after the Babylon captivity. If it had been given to the returnees surely it would have been mentioned. They would have to have made a tabernacle for it as David did.

God did not allow it to remain in the hands of the Philistines, so I do not think it would have remained in Babylon if it were taken there. God judged Belshazzar for misusing the temple vessels. How much more would he guard the ark?

I think it likely that the ark was destroyed when the first temple was plundered. The heavenly ark in Revelation is surely the pattern, not the copy, as would be the temple. (Heb. 8:5)

2Ki 24:13 � And he carried out thence all the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king's house, and cut in pieces all the vessels of gold which Solomon king of Israel had made in the temple of the LORD, as the LORD had said.