The Wicked Catholic Church

[Guest]

http://biblebelievers.com/XRCCPRIEST.html

Here we go. We've talked about women preachers, contemporary christian music, the NIV and political compromise, so how 'bout them catholics. I would be interested in reading what the other members of this site have to say both scripturally and historically about the wicked catholic church. In the event that someone stumbles upon this site and is offended by the title of this forum, I believe in calling sin what it is, sin. The catholic church is a wicked weapon of the Devil which leads countless souls to Hell every day. Check out the link I provided at the top of the post for a testimony of a priest who got saved and left the wicked catholic church. And I have yet to read in my King James Version in Matthew 16 or anywhere else in scripture where Jesus annointed Peter as the first pope, so where did the wicked catholic church get that from?

We could spend a lot of time discussing this topic. Rarely does a day go by when the news does not include an abuse story involving a priest or some other member of the wicked catholic church. And I do want to say that this topic is close to my heart because I have two beloved family members, one of which will not speak to me because I've said harsher words than are in this post concerning the wicked catholic church. If you love your people, you'll warn them too!

[Professored]

Scott, this is my first time to be on here, so I'm not sure I will push the right buttons to reply. I am glad you brought thsi up, though I have to sign off for now. I am a converted "JW". I was in it for over 20 years. I am now a Baptist Pastor in TN. But, back to the Catholics, I have people call me for info on the "J.W." but they never mention the, as you say "Wicked Catholics." That is what they are. Got to go for now. Dr. Ed

[Guest]

Just to clarify, I don't believe that all catholics are wicked. I do however beleive that the catholic church is wicked. I would say the catholic church has people who have the desire of serving God but are tragically misled by the evil doctrines the church presents. Those are the ones we should pray the most for, the ones who desire to serve God but are lost and haven't heard the gospel message of Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected. They sure will not hear the uncompromised word of God in as long as they remain in the catholic church. Like I said, I made the same statement to a family member who has been in the catholic church for about 25 years and this person became very offended at the words I said. I would much rather offend someone and win them to Christ than to compromise and watch them die lost and go to Hell. I can't say that I love my people without warning them of the dangers of the great whore church. Read Revelation 17 and tell me the "great whore" isn't the catholic church.

[Raymond]

The following link is a great site that argues against the false doctrines of romanism. http://www.ianpaisley.org/toc.asp?loc=rome

Ray

[George]

This is a very interesting topic. I am glad that someone (I apologize for not remembering just who) brought up the fact that not all Roman Catholics are wicked. Some of them are saved. I do not understand how they can possibly continue in the Roman Catholic church after being saved.

Last year there was a student in our Reformers Unanimous chapter that was married to a man for 35 years at that time. She claims to be a Christian yet he is a Roman Catholic. I brought up the fact to her that most orthodox Christian denominations do not consider the Roman Catholics to be Christians at all. She was very defensive about the subject. The following week I heard her speaking to our Assistant Pastor about the very same thing. He assured her that they (the RC's) are not considered Christian in most Christian eyes.

As a result of that discussion I did a study of the New Testament as it applies to the doctrines, traditions and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. I found it very interesting that although the Roman Catholic Church as we know it did not exist in the time of the writing of the New Testament there are many references to the fact that a lot of the things they do are prohibited by the Bible.

To me that shows the very beginnings of the Roman Catholic Church appear to have been done out of spite or in spite of the teachings of The Bible. It is as if they knew full well that a lot of their practices and beliefs are contrary to the Word of God yet they decided to do it anyway.

One thing that I am very glad of is that I recently read an article that said that the fastest growing denomination in the US at present is the fundamental Baptists and the fastest shrinking one (if that is a correct way of putting it [it sounded good]} is the Roman Catholics. WE have a number of ex Catholics in our Church. Our Pastor has been doing a Bible study at a local retirement center each Thursday afternoon for the last seven weeks. He has been teaching the Gospel of John.

This past Thursday an 85 year old lady approached him. She said that she had been a Catholic all her life. She also said that she had learned more about the Bible in seven weeks than she had her entire Catholic life. She said the one thing that she had learned of a certainty is that she needed to be born again. Praise the Lord! Pastor said it was a pure joy to gently lead this 85 year old former Catholic to Jesus for her salvation.

I don't know if the people of the Catholic Church, the ones sittiing in the pews, are actually wicked or if it mainly the hierarchy of the Church from the priests on up the line to the guy with the big pointed hat in Rome. Once a Christian can get past all the dogma and tradition of the Catholic teachings and really present the Gospel of Christ to a Catholic person they seem to want to convert to Christianity. It is difficult to get through to them because they have been brain washed all their lives.

I am not familiar with it, but I wonder if there are many people in the Catholic Church that were formerly from some other denomination? The ones I am familiar with are Catholic because they were born Catholic. I am unfamiliar with any that have converted from Christianity.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

[Guest]

I have an aunt that I have mentioned before on this site who was raised Baptist but married a catholic in 1980. She says she is "Bathlick," a combination of Catholic and Baptist. To say that I have talked to her about this is an understatement. I've talked to her about her soul's condition, because I honestly do not believe a saved person can leave a truth preaching Baptist church for catholicism. Her response to me was basically that I'm "young and don't know any better." (I'm 23 by the way). Age doesn't matter though. George mentioned a lady that was 85 and just met the Lord (praise God for that good news from a far country). I was 11 years old when I met the Lord, and one of the biggest personal blessings is that I can say at the age of 23 I've known the Lord as my Savior for over half my life. I can't even imagine leaving what I have for catholicism, what a terrible thought. I don't know how anyone else that is saved could either. Think about this, Satan has a way of reaching people that aren't settled. For some it is through catholicism, for others it is the charismatic movement, and for others it is the world religions like Buddhism, Islam or Hinduism. For Christian churches he throws out the NIV, the NKJV, the Good News Translation; Satan has a way of reaching different people from different walks of life. All of the unscriptural wicked doctrines and Bible perversions can be categorized as the work of the Devil with different names and different titles. Why do you think the world desires one world religion? How can we prevent being misled? By staying in a Bible believing, KJV based Baptist church. The Lord put a message on my heart that I preached at our church Sunday night titled, "Keep Sin out of your house by staying in God's house." The basis for the sermon was II Timothy 3:6 where Paul warned of the coming apostasy by writing, "For of this sort are they which creep into houses..." Sin has a way of creeping into houses, and if you don't think it does, just think about TBN and all of the Charismatic churches that are televised. They creep into houses. Think about what's on TV; even if we watch clean tv programs, wicked commercials often creep into our homes. Sin will also creep into church houses if church leaders aren't vigilant.

[Anonymous]

What exactly is "The Catholic Bible?" I should do more research on this, but as a lifelong Baptist I know little about the book. Is the book subject to change based on the Vatican's orders? I am interested in this and other books of false religions because I believe we should know our enemies. Pardon the secular analogy, but imagine what a football team could do by studying the playbook of the opposing team; they would anticipate all of their moves with successful readiness. I don't recommend that just anyone read these books, but I for one am interested in knowing the false teachings of our enemies a little more. I have found that the best approach for this type of study is reading a trusted Christian commentator who takes a biblical approach in uncovering the evils of the world religions. http://www.biblebelivers.com and http://www.chick.com (Jack Chick's website) both offer scriptural truths about world religions and other topics.

[George]

With apologies ahead of time, I could not resist posting this.

I heard a report on Fox News about the Pope resigning his position in relation to his health. The Pope pointed at the crucifix hanging on the wall and was reported to have said:

Quote:When Christ comes down off that cross I will resign.

Gee, do you suppose that means he has quit? All I can say is that I serve a RISEN SAVIOUR! My Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ is not hanging on that cross any longer. He is risen and He lives!

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

[BillW]

Hopefully this will bring some encouragement to the discussuion. Catholics are getting better. I have a few friends that are Catholic and openly disscused their beleifs. All that I have talked beleive the same salvation through faith in Jesus that we all do. Also, interestingly, my mom attended a Catholic chrismas eve service(she's no longer a Catholic, but it has never left her heart), and was shocked to hear the priest preach about salvation through faith in Jesus Christ! Saying that one must be "born again". Not surprisingly, I have heard that this priest has become somewhat unpopular with the older crowd of traditional Catholics.

In Christ,
Bill

[BillW]

Many leaders of the Catholic Church, however, have strayed very far from the truth, and have comprimised so much it makes me ill to think about it. Read this recent artical about "catholic school reform on evolution and it will have you shaking your head:

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories...500591.htm

In Christ,

Bill

[Anonymous]

Catholics are getting better? That's like saying the NIV is getting better or Christian Hard Rock is getting better. Those priests you mention only use those scriptures as bait to catch non-traditional catholics into their sticky web of sin. If the priests knew the word of God they would not be a part of the catholic church, they would ask God to save their lost souls and leave immediately. All they know is sin, sin and more sin.

[BillW]

Hey scott-

Our focus concerning Catholics should be on renewing them rather then condeming them. Not that what they do is right, but condemnation only breads anger and seperation. You want to change the Catholic chruch? Give them God's truth in love and it can change everything.

Not to sound unrealisitc, but we have a duty to help them get back to the true foundations. They're not a hopeless cause, that is only point I have tried to make.


In Christ,
Bill

[George]

Scott and Bill, I believe that both of your are correct and that you are one the same page just in a little different language.

I believe that those which practice the Roman Catholic ways need to be condemned and treated gently. That is possible. The very Bible condemns a lot of people but goes on to say that they can be saved.

I agree completely with Scott in his assesment that if the priests were truly following the Word of God they would not continue in Roman Catholicism. How could they?

I also know that when it is made clear to a Roman Catholic that they are not following God's Word and someone takes the time to lead them to Truth they generally convert to Christianity. However, in order to accomplish that conversion it is not possible to beat them upside the head with the Bible. That accomplishes nothing other than driving them further into their heresy.

A similar situation exists with the Mormons and JW's. I have seen people post here and also have had many people tell me that they literally slam the door in these people's faces when they arrive at their front door. Again, that accomplishes nothing but to further their belief in the preverted ways they follow. Certainly it is proper to let them know that they are going to hell in all probability but it needs to be done in such a way that they see a gentle, loving and kind person attempting to lead them to the Truth.

I believe the basis for dealing with all of these people involved in religious cults is the Bible. The vast majority of the ones that come to the door profess a belief in the Bible even if it is an incorrect version. By showing them Truth in the actual Bible I find that I accomplish a lot more than blowing them off with some kind of scathing remark about their faith. I believe that it is imperitive to look for common ground on which to work.

One of the things I really love to do is make reference to or show them some of my old Bibles I have in my collection. I have one that was printed in 1688. It is intact and original except for the cover. Although it does have an absolutely beautiful full calf cover it was probably re-bound in the mid-1800's. I can show the heretics that the Word of God has not changed in 317 years in concrete form. That usually opens a lot of eyes. Another method is to use a Bible that is true to the 1611 version. They are available. Bearing Precious Seed ministries prints them. The URL for their web site has been given at least once on this forum someplace.

Although I have some very personal feelings and beliefs about these groups and the catholics in particular, if I let those feelings and beliefs get in the way of witnessing to these lost souls I will do nothing good and come far short of the Glory of God. When our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ gave us the great commission I sincerely believe that he had already done the condemning (which we can point out to such people by using the Bible) and it is up to us to witness and teach.

As an example, some time ago I was witnessing to some people that have been Roman Catholic all their lives. At one point in the conversation one of them asked me what Church I go to. When I told them First Baptist Church they immediately asked me if that Church wasn't extremely strict. Now in the first place I find that sort of humorous coming from people that are expected to attend confession on a regular basis, say so many Hail Mary's and Our Fathers, bow to priests, etc., etc. However I told them that if by strict they meant that we followed the teachings of the Bible to the best of our abilities with the help of the Holy Spirit what they asked was very true.

Of course they did not convert right on the spot but the fact is that I took the time to witness to them using the Bible and not spend time taking issue with all the things they do wrong. The seed has been planted. Perhaps, God willing, they will one day return, if not to me to someone else or even the Church to ask further questions.

The point is that yes, they need to be condemned or at least shown the condemnation they face using the Bible as basis, but they also need to be treated with dignity and respect.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

[Anonymous]

This is a bit off subject, but is anyone familiar with the charismatic catholics? Evidently the charismatic movement has entered the catholic church as well and there are charismatic priests. I believe there is one on tv by the name of "Father Manning" or something like that. Just an interesting thought, a charismatic catholic church.

And George, that was a very interesting quote from the Pope about resigning when Jesus comes off the cross. This will probably tick people off but I'll go ahead and say it anyway, I dread when the pope dies because all we'll hear on the news and read in the papers is how great he was when in reality he was the Devil's advocate. I pray that the pope will get saved before he dies and denounce catholicism completely, what a blessing that would be.

[George]

Indeed Scott. I can already see the people lining up to jump all over me for what I am about to say but say it I will.

Look at what happened to Ms. Theresa when she passed away. (Some of you may know her as "mother.") The world jumped on the band wagon as to what an incredibly good person she was and how great work she was doing for The Lord. She may have been a good person but I believe she was about as far away from The Lord and His teachings as one can possibly get. Certainly she did good works. There are a lot of people that do not have a relationship with the One True Christian God that do good works. That does not account for anything in the eyes of The Lord.

Remember the Bible says:

Quote:(Isa 64:6) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce