Why do I use the KJ?

[George]

Quote:But its even more surprising at the number of people who would rather let anything & everything go to keep from having any controversy. I have seen what happens to churches that let anything & everything go, its not a pretty sight at all. In fact I just saw one bust right down the seams because no one would take a stand on what it right.

Brother Jerry it is not only the people, the Pastor plays a large roll in the whole matter also. Look at the economics of the situation. If the Pastor were to preach and uphold standards of dress and conduct in Church he would lose a lot of parishioners to the more liberal Churches where they can feel comfortable. The end result would be the Pastor's salary would be decreased by quite a bit.

The same is true in Christian schools these days. It is all about economics. At my former Church we had a Christian school which went from pre-school through high school. I was on staff in maintenance so got to school before the students started arriving. What I saw as the children (of all ages) started arriving was a scene the looked no different than what I saw at the secular schools. Even the music coming from the older students cars was exactly the same as what the students in the secular schools played on their stereos. When you cannot hear or see a difference in the students at the two different schools something is desperately wrong.

The primary reason for this is the students are not being taught standards; standards of dress, standards of music, standards of speech and other such areas which should distinguish a Christian from an unbeliever.

Again this goes back to the Pastor of the Church. In general the school at my former Church pumped many thousands of dollars into the general fund of the Church. If the principal of the school were to attempt to teach and enforce standards students would begin leaving. When students leave income goes down. The bottom line is that it will at some point affect the Pastor's salary.

As example the dress code at the school started back-sliding some years back. It used to be that the boys were required to wear shirts with collars. One morning a young man showed up for school wearing a t-shirt. However the t-shirt had a reference to Jesus on it. The young man was brought into the Principals office. The Pastor was called in and the question was whether or not it was appropriate to send the young man home to change since the shirt did say something about Jesus.

The standards were relaxed. To me and in my way of thinking rules are rules and a dress code is a dress code. Since the rule of the dress code stated collared shirts the young man should have been sent home period. But...if he would have been sent home to change his parents would have gotten involved and most like would have withdrawn him from the school since the school sent him home for promoting Jesus.

The bottom line in the lack of standards and the liberalness of the congregation and yes, in our Christian schools is all about money. That money affects the preacher's salary.Why do you think most Pastors of Local, New Testament Churches continue to speak of and preach on tithing when tithing is not a New Testament thing? If it were a New Testament thing would not have Jesus mentioned it at some point? Tithing is mentioned in the New Testament only twice and both times in relation to Abraham and the Old Testament story. Why is it still taught in the New Testament Church? Because if it were not the giving would go down greatly and the Pastors salary would fall in direct proportion to that.

Gosh, I guess I've gone and started another controversy.

In Christ,
George

[Jerry80871852]

Just a quick thought I had after reading the past post that has not been thought out.

Can you look at a person and how they are dressed going to church and tell what Bible they're carrying in their arms? Are should I say what Bible they are not carrying.

May the Lord bless,
Jerry

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14

[George]

Quote:Can you look at a person and how they are dressed going to church and tell what Bible they're carrying in their arms? Are should I say what Bible they are not carrying.

Brother Jerry. I have found out that the way a person dresses is not a way of telling what Bible they have under their arm. In my previous Church I knew people who had been an inspiration to me and helped me not only to get into Church but also aided in my salvation. However I discovered the Bible they used was the NLT. There were also a number of others in that Church, which was a conservative, IFB church who used other "bibles."

In my current Church the same holds true. We have a gentleman who dresses in suits and ties each week. However he uses the ESV. He is fluent in Greek and was a professor of Greek in some seminary some time back. I have heard him sit in Church and say the ESV is the best translation available in the English language. However he would not defend it as we do by saying it was the perfect word of God preserved as such for the believer.

Yet I have a very good friend who is just the opposite. My friend is an ex gangbanger, has been in prison, needs a liver transplant because of his past life and yet he is one of the strongest supporters of the King James Bible I have ever met. This all happened because when I first came to know him he was attending a FourSquare Church where they used the NIV. I sat down with him one night with my King James Bible and went through his bible with him and showed him some of the many errors in it. He threw his NIV in the trash (where it belongs) I gave him a King James Bible and he was on his way. I have not yet seen Steve in a coat and tie.

So the answer as far as I am concerned is that the manner of dress in no way indicates to me which Bible the person is using.

In Christ,
George

[Jerry80871852]

George, Thanks for the thoughts, that just hit my mind, and I surely never paid no attention to know if it had any merit or not, so I had nothing to base it on.


Let me ask this thought them, are the people, churches, who use the MV's usually more liberal than those who hold to the KJ's Bible?

May God Bless,
Jerry

Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful
works to the children of men! Psalms 107:31

[George]

Jerry80871852 Wrote:George, Thanks for the thoughts, that just hit my mind, and I surely never paid no attention to know if it had any merit or not, so I had nothing to base it on.


Let me ask this thought them, are the people, churches, who use the MV's usually more liberal than those who hold to the KJ's Bible?

May God Bless,
Jerry

Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful
works to the children of men! Psalms 107:31

Generally speaking, yes Brother, they are more liberal. I believe they must be by definition. The first thing they compromise is the Word of God. It goes downhill from there.

Some may not appear to be more liberal. Take for example the FourSquare Church I mentioned a bit ago. They mostly dress modestly and have a lot of other things in common with the fundamentalist Church although they preach as doctrine things that are not so. They believe that a person is not saved until the can speak in "tongues' (gibberish.) There are other things they do which are not provided for in the Bible.

And then we deteriorate into the ones that have live rock and roll bands and things like that. Makes my stomach turn.

In Christ,
George

[candlelight]

Amen! When the word of God is compromised... how is everything else supposed to fall in line?

George said:

The primary reason for this is the students are not being taught standards; standards of dress, standards of music, standards of speech and other such areas which should distinguish a Christian from an unbeliever.


The King James Bible is ONE thing that I won't compromise on. I also know it is the same for the regular posters on FP. As far as standards? The KJB is clear about being able to "distinguish a Christian from an unbeliever." When a person falls under that conviction from the Holy Spirit? It should be a clear indication that God has led them to the truth (salvation in Jesus Christ) or another "truth"... and, that "truth" should be acted upon. Although, everything doesn't happen all at once... mature believers should correctly model Biblical standards to the new babes in Christ. That is a given to me.

Why do I use the KJ? I know without hesitation that it is God's pure and Holy Word. My heart told/tells me this amazing fact... along with ALL the proof and evidence in the world on the King James Bible.

Romans 10:17... So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. King James Bible

In Christ Jesus ~

Molly

[ChuckieTrout]

The guide lines in scripture are clear enough for all walks of life;
2 Cor.6:16, And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Certainly not because we are better then anyone else but because we represent the Lord Jesus Christ our SAVIOR that we separate ourselves from the world !!
Yes we Dress for Christ, Sing worshipfully for Christ, and even find solace in the KJB..because HE first loved us!!

[candlelight]

ChuckieTrout Wrote:The guide lines in scripture are clear enough for all walks of life;
2 Cor.6:16, And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17, Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Certainly not because we are better then anyone else but because we represent the Lord Jesus Christ our SAVIOR that we separate ourselves from the world !!
Yes we Dress for Christ, Sing worshipfully for Christ, and even find solace in the KJB..because HE first loved us!!

Amen... brother. Well said. The scriptures speak for themselves. I am so VERY amazed that God gave us His word. He could have given up on us... a very long time ago. And, He didn't. That is more than I can say for mankind... lost or saved. We are saved sinners... that need to strive to live Godly lives that are honoring to the Lord. These days it is surely more of a struggle to live according to the Holy Spirit. The old nature just wants to take over some days with "true" Christians. I know that God lives inside of our hearts, though... and, that is the most peaceful and calming thing in this world... other than knowing He has prepared an eternal home for us in Heaven. Praise be to God Almighty... for sending His only son to die on a cruel Roman cross... for the remission (forgiveness) of our sins. It is unbelievable to me how much Jesus suffered for the sins of mankind.

Acts 8:37... And Philip said, if thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And Jesus answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. "Philip and the Eunuch" King James Bible

Colossians 1:14... In whom we have redemption (been set free) through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: "Saved Through the Shed Blood of Jesus Christ" King James Bible

God bless Fundamental Preaching members,

Molly

[Jerry80871852]

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Cor 4:7 (KJV)

Yes, when we try to walk the Christian walk under our own power, we fail. Sorry to say, I've tried many times, I failed many times. But if we will truly give the Holy Spirit that abides within us the lead, we will not fail, for we will be under the power of God, not self powered.

But Paul said it much better than I can.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Romans 7:21 (KJV)

Thanks be for God's mercy and grace that He has given us.

In Christ,
Jerry

[Jim]

When it gets right down to it, it boils down to two things, self or Christ. There is no "happy medium" when it comes to scripture.

There is a local congressman who touts "principled compromise" on issues here. That is such a contradiction in terms.

"16:13
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. "

Although mammon is money, we can get the point. Also, who would want to be held accountable for adultery as a christian in the bride of Christ?

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

George said it well:

Quote:"Generally speaking, yes Brother, they are more liberal. I believe they must be by definition. The first thing they compromise is the Word of God. It goes downhill from there.

Love in Christ,

Jim