Moses knew the reproach (which is related to Christ). The text does not say that Moses knew Christ. Plus the context is all about Moses's choice in choosing affliction similar to Christ's afflictions. I do not believe the text is saying what you would like it to say.

When Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day, Christ was speaking in the present when Abraham was rejoicing not the past. Keep things in context. Everything about that context is about the present life of Christ. Christ's day was in the future for Abraham. The only way Abe could see Christ is if Abe still existed (as he did in heaven looking down at Christ). That also follows Christ's argument in Matt. 22:32 being the God of the living not of the dead.

The context of Job will reveal that Job referred to God as his Redeemer. Nothing specific about Christ.

The issue is, they had some revelation of a coming Redeemer/Messiah - which they did (1st revelation of a redeemer is Gen. 3:15). But they didn't know His name nor did they know His method of death, burial, or resurrection. So for you to say that they knew Jesus would be illogical. They do however know Him now (notice the present tense).

Amazing how off track we can get. So far we have talked about Romans 11 & the olive tree, John 15 & the vines, and now OT saints & the content of their faith. These are 3 great topics. Why are they in this thread

This post was last modified: Thu May 01, 2008 05:13 PM by Greektim.

GreekTim said, "Why are they in this thread"

Why change a habit? Which thread ISN'T fraught with rabbits?

Amazing how off track we can get. So far we have talked about Romans 11 & the olive tree, John 15 & the vines, and now OT saints & the content of their faith. These are 3 great topics. Why are they in this thread

Wasn't it to do with your view that their are two tiers of saints?

Brother, it is not your duty or responsibility to determine what belongs in what thread. If we, the administrators and moderators of the site believe something belongs in a different thread we will either move it or create a new thread and put it in there.

In Christ,
George

I think you misunderstood my point. But I am not surprised. It is easy to do when you are limited to messages in this format. I thought the smily faces would have tipped you off. I am not trying to run this thread. I was just stating a fact which I thought was funny. It is almost as if I am under the radar in whatever I post. Hmmmmm...

Quite frankly Brother, I try my best not to look at those smiley face things. I disdain them. I find them frivolous and often childish. That is just my own personal opinion though.

In Christ,
George

George! Brother! Ease up a bit!

How else can we express that we are making a statement and want to show that we are grinning or winking or whatever? A person's non-verbal expression is part of communication that is lost in this format without some kind of symbolism.

Remember who said this?
http://www.fundamentalpreaching.com/exer...l#pid10735

I find it fantastic that this thread cold ever be seriously posited.

The specific name "Jesus" the Priest-King-Branch occurs in Zechariah. That name is "Jehovah is salvation" so we can look in all the Bible to see if the expression "in Christ" occurs in another form. Jesus Christ is LORD, (Phil. 2, quoting Isaiah 45.)

A search for "in the Lord" finds 114 references, about 70 in the OT. I'll just quote one:
Hab 3:18 Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation.

Could Habakkuk rejoice in the LORD if he were not in the LORD? Is the joy in the Lord of e.g. the Philippians in a different Lord?

The Old Covenant promises are fulfilled IN CHRIST:
2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
20 For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

David new Jesus.

Acts 2: 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:


The JW "bible" actually says that this is Jehovah. Acts 2: 25 For David says respecting him, (i.e. Jesus the Naz-a-rene) 'I had Jehovah constantly before my eyes: because he is at my right hand that I may never be shaken....'"

Also Moses gave Joshua the son of NUN the name Joshua (Jesus).