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Jim
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
I'm not surprised that all your criminals have guns, if they break into someone's house and know that they will be armed, they are unlikely to go unarmed
And they will be shot by the citizen exercizing his right to bear arms.
Explain this:
Over the course of a few days in the summer of 2001, gun-toting men burst into an English court and freed two defendants; a shooting outside a London nightclub left five women and three men wounded; and two men were machine-gunned to death in a residential neighborhood of north London. And on New Year's Day this year a 19-year-old girl walking on a main street in east London was shot in the head by a thief who wanted her mobile phone. London police are now looking to New York City police for advice.
None of this was supposed to happen in the country whose stringent gun laws and 1997 ban on handguns have been hailed as the "gold standard" of gun control. For the better part of a century, British governments have pursued a strategy for domestic safety that a 1992 Economist article characterized as requiring "a restraint on personal liberty that seems, in most civilised countries, essential to the happiness of others," a policy the magazine found at odds with "America's Vigilante Values." The safety of English people has been staked on the thesis that fewer private guns means less crime. The government believes that any weapons in the hands of men and women, however law-abiding, pose a danger, and that disarming them lessens the chance that criminals will get or use weapons.
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Violent crime has been climbing ever since. Last December, London's Evening Standard reported that armed crime, with banned handguns the weapon of choice, was "rocketing." In the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent, and the upward trend has continued. From April to November 2001, the number of people robbed at gunpoint in London rose 53 percent.
Gun crime is just part of an increasingly lawless environment. From 1991 to 1995, crimes against the person in England's inner cities increased 91 percent. And in the four years from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England's rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America's, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world's crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people.
Guns save lives, period. If you want to outlaw something, outlaw cars, they are far more responsible for killing people than guns will ever be.....
And let's outlaw doctors too while we are at it. How many people have died because of medical malpractice and negligence? Maybe we ought to outlaw them. Getting rid of guns or saying that there is no need for them is just as rediculous as the above statements.
Jim
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O wretched man that I am!...
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
Davo, of course gun control works - just ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. There's only 2 kinds of people that fear an armed populace: criminals and criminal governments.
Here's my favorite bumper sticker, Bro Jim:
Prevent forest fires - register matches!
A government that is large enough to supply everything you need is large enough to take everything you have - Thomas Jefferson
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Davo
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
Davo, of course gun control works - just ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro.
Did they have gun control?
There's only 2 kinds of people that fear an armed populace: criminals and criminal governments.
That is nonsense. I would fear an armed populace. Most people in this country would fear an armed populace. I cannot think that any Christian in this country would want an armed populace, except for those who have valid reasons such as shotguns for hunting and pest control and shooting clubs. Licensed guns have to be kept under secure conditions, to avoid theft.
Here's my favorite bumper sticker, Bro Jim:
Prevent forest fires - register matches!
That is a childish remark.
There's only 2 kinds of people that fear an armed populace: criminals and criminal governments.
And of course schools, where children have stolen their parent's guns and shot up their school.
David
Job 19:25 But as for me I know that my Redeemer liveth, And at last he will stand up upon the earth:
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Davo
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
And they will be shot by the citizen exercizing his right to bear arms.
Or the citizen will be shot.
Of course if you shoot somebody here, in your house or out, you are likely to be tried for murder. You are most likely to be found not guilty, or guilty of manslaughter, which can also have a life sentence.
Jim, no I can't explain that, except none of those incidents you quote happened inside someone's home.
I do know that every now and again we have a firearms amnesty where illegally held guns can be handed in to the police with no questions asked. They usually have hundreds or thousands of weapons of many types, handed in. We also recently had a knife amnesty when thousands of knives and swords were handed in.
David
Job 19:25 But as for me I know that my Redeemer liveth, And at last he will stand up upon the earth:
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Davo, of course gun control works - just ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. There's only 2 kinds of people that fear an armed populace: criminals and criminal governments.
Amen!!!
Jeremiah 20:9b
'But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.'
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Davo
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Davo, of course gun control works - just ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. There's only 2 kinds of people that fear an armed populace: criminals and criminal governments.
Amen!!!
And of course freedom to have private arms works.
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=8...v=menu57_2
David
Job 19:25 But as for me I know that my Redeemer liveth, And at last he will stand up upon the earth:
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Davo, of course gun control works - just ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. There's only 2 kinds of people that fear an armed populace: criminals and criminal governments.
Yes. They were very successful in controlling "their" countries using guns to control them. You can add Saddam Hussein & Mugabe to that evil list. The Burmese junta is also successful.
They were of course established powers that be. Legal governments. Should their people submit meekly?
Just what are you trying to prove?
What does Scripture say? Obviously nothing about guns. Two swords was enough for the 12 disciples. We don't read of Paul fighting back against the mobs that tried to kill him. He trusted the authorities.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Or should we take a lead from the rebels?
Joe 3:9 ΒΆ Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I [am] strong.
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Davo
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
Great idea  I shall nip down to the nearest Royal park & bag a deer. Perhaps I will get out in time for Christmas  Porridge is not my idea of Christmas dinner. 
Now shooting (chuckie)trout as they leap is a novel idea for a challenging sport  though when I wade in with the net to fish out the prize, I will have to dodge other fishermarksmen 
You could try fly fishing, or perhaps do as the Germans did in Beze.
In the French village of Beze, in Burgundy, there is the source of a river by the same name. At the source there used to be three orifices, but now there is only one as the other two were destroyed by occupying forces fishing for trout, with grenades.
David
Job 19:25 But as for me I know that my Redeemer liveth, And at last he will stand up upon the earth:
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Jim
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
Davo:
Most people in this country would fear an armed populace
Not the people I have spoken to in England. Everyone I have asked has no problem with gun ownership and want your draconian gun laws repealed and aborted.
Davo, these views of your are not shared by the majority in England, and are just your opinion and personal preference, as are mine. Our Supreme Court simply hasn't gotten corrupt or stupid enough to ban guns because they know it would cause another civil war...period.
Romans 7:24
O wretched man that I am!...
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Davo:
Most people in this country would fear an armed populace
Not the people I have spoken to in England. Everyone I have asked has no problem with gun ownership and want your draconian gun laws repealed and aborted.
On the other hand, I live in England, and nobody I have spoken to wants gun ownership to be widespread.
Davo, these views of your are not shared by the majority in England, and are just your opinion and personal preference, as are mine. Our Supreme Court simply hasn't gotten corrupt or stupid enough to ban guns because they know it would cause another civil war...period.
Amazing! You speak for the majority of people in England.
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Great idea I shall nip down to the nearest Royal park & bag a deer. Perhaps I will get out in time for Christmas Porridge is not my idea of Christmas dinner.
Now shooting (chuckie)trout as they leap is a novel idea for a challenging sport though when I wade in with the net to fish out the prize, I will have to dodge other fishermarksmen
You could try fly fishing, or perhaps do as the Germans did in Beze.
In the French village of Beze, in Burgundy, there is the source of a river by the same name. At the source there used to be three orifices, but now there is only one as the other two were destroyed by occupying forces fishing for trout, with grenades.
'Eb'... Surely you jest!
Your almost ready to read the lofty pages (from the olde' country) Izaak Waltons "The Compleat Angler"; or the Contemplative Man's Recreation (Being a Discourse of Fish & Fishing for the perusal of Anglers). This discussion conducted by a 'Piscator' (a fisherman), a 'Venator' (a traveler), 'Auceps' (a fowler), and a 'Viator' (a huntsman).
The opening chapter heads with ...."To all Readers of this Discourse; but especially to the Honest Angler. (thats me bubb)
I conclude with Habakkuk 1:14-15!!
ChuckieTrout (Nahum 1:7)
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"If you are not governed by God, you will be ruled by tyrants." (William Penn, 1681)
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Chuckietrout,
Tim took offence in your defence when I quoted the above post on another forum. I'm glad you have a sense of humour  Porridge, incidentally, is slang for prison.
I have a battered copy of the sequel to Walton - "The Compleat Tangler" by Norman Thelwell. My angling friends found the humour compleatly true to life
Compleat Tangler
Long ago my brother bravely approached a fisherman with his line in a tree. "Are you fly fishing for swallows?"
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Jim
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Amazing! You speak for the majority of people in England.
Well, thank you, I didn't know I had that much influence. Maybe I ought to run for PM.
But you are right, I actually meant to put ...the majority of people that I have spoken to...
Romans 7:24
O wretched man that I am!...
This post was last modified: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:41 PM by Jim.
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RE: Supreme Court Decision
Romans 7:24
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