I'm glad Jesus is coming The next big event on God's Calendar is the Rapture

I am going to try to keep up with this company. I will post updates as I see them.

Until Rapture,

Jim

It may have already been posted on a previous page, if so sorry, but they used these implants 10+ years ago for pilots who flew sorties in Dessert Storm. Some speculate that the sores in the hands mentioned in Revelation may be the result of battery leaking in the implants. Who can say for sure? Again, if this is repeating, sorry, did not have time to read other page for now.

Yes, this seems to be a representation of that 10 years ago, however, read about the company. It was formed in December of 2001. In less than 3 years they are already traded on the NASDAQ (ADSX). The chip is implanted in the forearm. RJP, correct me if I am wrong, but could not the bible also refer to that location in calling the location "the hand"? Not sure about the Greek on that. They are already showing MASSIVE growth, and look at all of the locations who have had this specific company supply them these chips. They are now aiming at hospitals in the U.S.. I really do think this is the one. All sign are pointing to this company. I am not trying to be an alarmist, just too coincidental to be ignored. But please do not take it from me, look up the company. Go to :
http://www.4verichip.com and http://www.adsx.com

Please read all about the company and the doctors who support them.

In Christ,

Jim

Yes, I was made aware of the verichip and the growth of the company some time ago by a member of our congregation. Thanks. Have also heard that they either have purchase orders or sufficient stock already for everyone in the US. Can't document that though.

And yes, the Greek cheir can include the wrist and even a portion of the forearm according to Arndt and Gingrich (p. 88. I lean toward the belief that the nails in Jesus hands were through the wrist at the base of the palm. If someone disagrees, OK. I don't CONTEND or ARGUE VIOLENTLY for the idea, I just lean that way! Sometimes when I lean to hard, I fall down! Gotta be careful bout that.

Actually, I agree. Common Sense supported with, don't whip me now anybody, SCIENCE, and even scripture supports that Jesus had his wrists pierced. I won't say that people who say it was definitely his hands are wrong. It possibly could be his hands if he supported himself on the cross using his feet to push his body up to keep the weight of his body off of his hands, but I think as he lost physical strength in his muscles this probably could not be helped and does not support that allegation.

I say this reverently as Jesus Christ deserves complete reverence and Holiness.

It puts me to mind of the terrible suffering He took upon himself for an unworthy people such as me. It is awestriking to understand a love like that. I thank our Lord that he saved a wretch like me.

In Christ,

Jim

Have personally spoken with some medical/trauma personel who insist that the ligaments in the hands ARE strong enough to support the weight of the human body! I know some have also argued otherwise. Did not volunteer to be part of the test group!

Sorry. That was me. Forgot to log back in. The DB is have used mostly asks me to log in before letting me post. Keep forgetting. Not trying to hide my identity, but I did grow a beard a few winters back. My wife did not like it, and that is not embellished!

The ligaments in the hands may be strong enough to support the weight of the human body, but it is doubtful if they could hold the constant pushing up on the feet to breathe, then as the muscles in the legs weaken, the constant trauma of the force of the body falling. The wrists could endure this force.

True, True, especially when we note he was hanging there for six hours, it might be unlikely the hands could sustain that for that long of a time..

Jim

No arguement here. I think it was through the wrists, too. I was just giving some consideration for those who insist it was through the palms!

I just thought I would add my two cents here!

The Greek word "cheir" #5495, is, in my opinion, referring to the literal hand. If you simply go through the Bible and look at every place the word hand (#5495) is, it is referring to the "hand", and not the "wrist."

There are many examples in the Bible such as:

Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands (#5495) defileth not a man.

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands (#5495) on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.

Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands (#5495) the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Etc., etc.........

Concerning Jesus' hands:
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands (#5495) the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand(#5495) into his side, I will not believe.

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands(#5495); and reach hither thy hand(#5495), and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Was Thomas to thrust his wrist into Jesus' side? No, of course not, Jesus meant his hand!

I believe the word hand means "hand."

OK, excellent post, I certainly do not disagree. It is interesting to see the different evidences we have here.

Jim

Seeker--

I think you misunderstood...in Christs' time, the Roman hand was not just the palm and fingers, the wrist was also part of the hand. Christ was on the cross for six hours, but crucifixition usually lasted for days before death came. A nail through the palms with the constant trauma of falling when the legs gave out would not be strong enough to hold for that long of a time.

I am not saying that it was not the hand. I am saying that the hand included the wrist. If Thomas HAD stuck his hand in Jesus side, he could have done so up to wrist! Upon seeing Jesus he did not need to touch to believe.

AND of the 179 occurances of cheir some of them could certainly be understood to include the wrist. Even in a couple of the ones cited as arguing against the wrist being considered part of the hand. "Except I see His hands..."

Strongs definition IS correct. It is just not as exhaustive as "A Greek-English Lexicon" tr by Arndt & Gingrich. They spend almost a whole page of dictionary size print just on the meaning and uses of cheir. I have had mine for about 20+ years and it cost about 60 bucks back then. Just checked on Amazon.com and they list the current edition at 125. Not something the average church member or Bible student would really need.

Gotta go finish R & R the intake manifold on my wife's 4.6 mercury v8.