I have never heard of a "better christian" before. Can you please define this term?

If preaching against false doctrine and blasphemy is considerd "hate" then I will gladly be associated with it.

And does not the bible say:

and

Scratch those ears Robert


Jim

jgb321, Davo and Jim,

I am choosoing to remain a Catholic because I like the liturgical worship service that the Catholic Church has better then the non liturgical worship services that the Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches have. Another reason that I am remaining Catholic is to Saturday Vigil instead of Sunday Morning Mass to do other things on Sunday like laying around until going out to lunch and do some shopping. Another thing that I do not like about Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches is that everybody is expected to engage in interpersonal communication with other individuals. When I go to church I sit in the back and do not communicate with hardly anybody. When I go to church I wish to be left alone to worship Christ alone.

Say that a Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or a Mainline Protestant receives Christ as their Savior on their death bed, they would not have time to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Church and join a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Protestant Church and yet they would still go to Heaven after passing away because they had received Christ as their Savior. So that takes care of that nonsense that everybody who receives Christ as their Savior has to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Church and join a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Protestant Church or else they will not go to Heaven when they pass away.

It is fine to get Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Mainline Protestants to receive Christ as their Savior but it is ridiculous to tell them that they have to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or a Mainline Protestant Church and join a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Protestant Church because when everybody stands before Christ after they pass away church membership will not be brought up. The only thing that Christ will require of everybody when they stand before Christ afther they pass away is that they had received Him as their Savior.

When I state that my brother and everybody at that Non Denominational Church are better and truer Christians then you guys are what I mean is that they are acting more Christ like then you guys are because they do not preach against any church that believes that Christ is God and believes in the Holy Trinity.

If I pray to Christ every night and ask Him for forgiveness of any sins that I may have committed during the day then I am remaining in Christ's grace.

I'm sorry, Robert but there is something very wrong with your attitude, and I am still not sure if you are legitimate or not. I don't think you really understand what Salvation means and until you do, I can't see how anything good can come from your involvement with this forum or with the wider world.

When my father, a devout Catholic of some 50 years, became Born Again, the change in him was so visible to me and others, that I got saved too. We then left the R.C.C, because it had failed us and our family for too long - we were NEVER told about being Born Again and reading the Bible everyday. Also, when we told priests and others in that church that they too needed to be Born Again, they didn't want to hear it. So we left, and like other Born Again former Catholics and Anglicans, we never looked back.

I will pray that you will listen to God and His word and seek fellowship with spiritually minded people and those that actually care about winning souls to Christ, not keeping them in bondage to a false humanistic religion.

James

P.S. If your brother in his non-denominational church really cared for you, he'd tell you what we've been trying to tell you - GET OUT OF THAT FALSE CHURCH

jgb321,

If I dispensed with the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass then I am no longer in bondage because I no longer believe the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and I no longer participate in the unscriptural parts to the Mass. I do not like the Fundamentalist and Evangelical Churches because everybody is expected to engage in interpersonal communication with other individuals and I am not that comfortable with engaging in interpersonal communication with individuals. But obviously you do not comprehend that there are shy individuals around who do not like to communicate with other individuals. When I go to church I sit in the back and do not communicate with anybody and I wish to be left alone to worship Christ alone. And since when is having friends required for salvation? Somebody could go through life without having any friends and they would still go to Heaven after passing away if they had received Christ as their Savior.

If I do not like the non liturgical worship services of the Fundamentalist and Evangelical Churches and am not comfortable fellowshipping with other individuals then what am I supposed to do? Attend a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Church anyway and be misserable the whole time because you guys have the false idea that church membership has something to do with salvation? Church membership carries zero weight when it comes to salvation. The only thing that is required for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven is to receive Christ as Savior.

In a leaflet a previous Church used to deliverthere was an illustration entilted "Would you be happy in Heaven?" It went something like this: A train contained many passengers returning from a christian conference. A young lady entered a compartment where some men were dicusssing what they had learnt from the meetings. "Can't I get away from this?" she asked. Everywhere compartment on this train that I have been in there are people talking about Jesus." One of the man spoke to her. "Young lady," he said, "I must ask you if you would one day like to go to heaven?" "Yes, of course." she said. The brother said. "Then I must ask you. Would you be happy in heaven. You cannot bear to hear the name of the Lord Jesus mentione, yet in heaven he will be at the centre, and his name will be praised continually. Would you be happy there?"

They will not only praise him continually, but they shall serve him. Rev 22: 3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:"

Would you be happy there? Being a christian is not just going to services, it is serving him. not only in the afterlife but here on earth.

There’s a work for Jesus, ready at your hand,
’Tis a task the Master just for you has planned.
Haste to do His bidding, yield Him service true;
There’s a work for Jesus none but you can do.
Refrain:
Work for Jesus, day by day,
Serve Him ever, falter never; Christ obey.
Yield Him service loyal, true,
There’s a work for Jesus none but you can do.

There’s a work for Jesus, humble though it be,
’Tis the very service He would ask of thee.
Go where fields are whitened, and the lab’rers few;
There’s a work for Jesus none but you can do.

There’s a work for Jesus, precious souls to bring,
Tell them of His mercies, tell them of your King.
Faint not, nor grow weary, He will strength renew;
There’s a work for Jesus none but you can do.

While I was searching for the above on the net, I found the following

How good it is that GOD above has never gone on strike
Because HE was not treated fair in things HE didn’t like
If only once HE had sat down, and said "That’s it. I’m through;
I’ve had enough of those on earth, so this is what I’ll do
I'll give my orders to the sun - Cut off the heat supply:
And to the moon, Give no more light, And run the oceans dry."
Then just to make things really tough, and put the pressure on,
"Turn off the vital oxygen till every breath is gone."


You know, HE would be justified, if fairness was the game,
For no one has been more abused or met with such distain
Than GOD, and yet He carries on, supplying you and me
With all the favours of HIS grace, and everything for free!
Men say they want a better deal, and so ‘on Strike’ they go
But what a deal we’ve given GOD, to whom All things we owe.
We don't care who we hurt or harm to gain things WE like
But - What a mess we'd all be in IF GOD SHOULD GO ON STRIKE.

One of the CoE's 39 Articles, says, "The mass is a blasphemous libel and a dangerous deceit."

You say you "dispense with the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass." However the whole of the mass is idolatry. When the "priest" holds up the wafer for the crowd to adore, that is worshipping an idol, as Ian Paisley said at the Oxford Union many years ago, when he held up the wafer and said "This is the Roman Catholic's god." I believe the wafer bears the letters IHS. You may be know better than me. If so please see my website http://www.samandra.freeserve.co.uk/ihs.htm

James say he still wonders if you are genuine. I must admit I did not from your first post, however I give you the benefit of the doubt, in case I am wrong

Davo,

I have stated numerous times why I do not like the Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches. The reason is that I do not like the non liturgical worship services that Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches have. Also Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches do not have Saturday Vigil Services in order to do other things on Sunday like laying around until going out to lunch and do some shopping. Another thing that I do not like about Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches is that everybody is expected to fellowship and engage in interpersonal communication with other individuals and I am just not that comfortable felloshipping and engaging in interpersonal communication with other individuals. When I go to church I wish to sit in the back and be left alone to worship Christ alone. Since when is felloshipping and engaging in interpersonal communcation with other individuals necessary for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven?

The whole Mass is not unscriptural. There are scriptural parts to the Mass and they are1)The Sign of the Cross,(2)Apostles and Nicene Creeds,(3)Readings from the Bible,(4)Penitential Rite,(5)The Lord's Prayer,(6)Prayers to Christ and (7)The Eucharistic Prayer(Except for the part that mentions that the Mass is a sacrifice and the part that mentions the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints) that contains the words that Christ used at the Last Supper. I totally deny that the Mass is a sacrifice and I totally deny that the bread and the wine are the actual body and blood of Christ. When I receive both the bread and the wine I consider them to be just bread and wine. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation instead. If every night when I go to bed I pray to Christ and ask Him to forgive any sins that I may have committed during the day then I am remaining in Christ's grace.

Matt 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Tell me, is a liturgy memorized before it is performed? Yes it is.

If the catholic church eliminated the unscriptural parts to the mass then you would not even have a mass.

Umm, Robert, you are the one choosing to communicate with us. By this statement, then is it not hypocritical for you to remain here?

And to answer the fact of interpersonal communications, does not the bible say:

Jim

Jim,

Interpersonal communication denotes verbal communication only, not the written communication which is transpiring on this forum. Engaging in fellowship and interpersonal communication(Verbal Communication) is not a pre-requisite for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven after passing away.

Yes or no? If anybody does not have the ability to engage in verbal communication and they receive Christ as their Savior would they gain entrance into Heaven when they pass away? If you answer yes then the whole premise that engaging in verbal communication is necessary for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven is false.

When I go to church I wish to be left alone to worship Christ alone. And that can be done in the Catholic Church by sitting in the back and not communicating with anybody. But that can not be done in a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Protestant Church.

I do not engage in vain repetitions during the Mass because I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass and the scriptural parts to the Mass are not vain repetitions if they are scriptural. Who says that the non liturgical worship services that the Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches have are the only acceptable form of worship? If the unscriptural parts to the Mass were done away with there would still be a Mass because there would still be readings from the Bible, the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, the Lord's Prayer, prayers to Christ and the Eucharistic Prayer which contains the words that Christ used at the Last Supper.

Jim,

What part of the paragraphical summation that I previously wrote do you not comprehend? There was a question contained in the previous paragraphical summation. Will you please respond to the question?

Robert there is not really much of anything you have iterated here that I understand.

Jim,

What specifically do you not comprehend about that paragraphical summation and I will elucidate for you?

Jim,

What is the matter with you? Why do you keep placing symbols in the response box instead of responding with statements? Don't you comprehend the vocabulary terminology that I have been utilizing?

Robert,

I'm sorry, I really should not laugh, but it seems as if you are going to extremes to "assert an ostentatious command of vocabulary".

You have painted your picture here. It is obvious you value your own intellect above God's Holy Word.