Brother James and other Ron Paul supporters:

If we are to vote on Biblical principles only, (and we should!) and not be concerned about the electability of the candidate, then there is more than one worthy choice.

Please take the time to read this:

http://www.alankeyes.com/issues_list.php

Humanly speaking, neither of these candidates has even the slimmest of chances, but at least we can send a message by our vote.

My objection to Ron Paul is twofold: In my opinion, he is too isolationist, and he will not discredit some of the wackos that vocally support him, at least satisfactorily for me.

To support my argument about wackos, see the following:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59294

The better alternative to using the money or sending it back would be to donate it to some cause that slaps the face (figuratively) of the racist.

Why is this a problem? Do you not agree with this statement? We should not wipe all comments from a person because of his/her background or nationality or belief. The statement above reflects how I feel exactly. I don't disagree with it simply because of the source. Ron Paul is doing the same. Now if Black had said "I am voting for Ron Paul because he believes in white power", obviously Ron Paul would send that money back.

I agree with Alan Keyes' views also, they seem to be in line with Ron Paul's.

In reflection to the isolationist views of Ron Paul, what exactly do you mean? If you are talking about how we are to treat other countries, i.e. foreign aid, then go read Alan Keyes' views on that same policy, they are identical to Ron Paul's.

The only difference I see between Ron Paul and Alan Keyes', would be the view on federal government. Alan Keyes seems to not have a problem with the size of the fed, but Ron Paul wants complete reform, which I agree with.

Just some thoughts,

Love in Christ,

Jim

This post was last modified: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:44 PM by Jim.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Alan_Keyes.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm

Alan Keyes is not on the Ballot in many states. http://blog.alankeyes.com/showpost.php?s...ostcount=1

Also Isolationist is a slur tossed about by the lame stream media. It is an accusation that is completely unfounded.

And I do respect Alan Keyes. He came and spoke to the Constitution Party National committee members at our convention in Iowa this past fall. I am not a part of the national committee so I did not get to hear him speak, but we obviously agree with his ideas.

Jim, I may be looking in the wrong place, but I don't see this:

Keyes:

Paul:

While I would agree that current U.S. policy regarding Israel is very weak, we must maintain some level of financial. Money is one of only a few useful methods for manipulating other nations' policies if it is used wisely and when it benefits our nation's interests.

I am not criticizing Ron Paul completely. If I thought that he had any chance at all, I would not even bother to argue the differences between Keyes and him. Certainly Ron Paul has 100 times more possibility to win than Keyes, but then again 100 times 0 is still 0.

To be serious, I see the United States in the same circumstance as Israel was during Jeremiah's ministry. We are in for one serious whipping, and it is in our best interest to humble ourselves as a nation and accept His chastening. We as believers must take the role of Daniel and seek God's mercy and forgiveness. See Daniel 9.

I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but I think the blood of too many innocent lives are on our hands to expect that there is hope for God to completely remove His coming judgment.

I have liked Mr. Keyes and what he stands for since I first knew of him.
The one exception is what I just found on his web site listed below
(I read this as not only staying in Iraq but going into Iran for beginning.....PLEASE tell me if I am wrong)

Also it has been my understanding that Mr. keyes is a Roman catholic?
To the, why should thas matter, I say
Any one who does not follow his "religous 'spiritual' authority" Is not much good to himself or anyone else.
BTW mine is the KJV

Mongol Servant said (I belive this to be true)

It is a widely known fact that the Roman catholic church hates the King James Bible, they hate our constitutional form of government, and they hate our country.

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War on terror

Some people say that the war on terror is an issue, and I say, "What issue?" We have people wanting to kill us — this is not an abstraction, it is not a joke, and if we don't defend ourselves against them, they will kill us. This is not an issue, this is not an option, it is a reality — and we either deal with it or we die.

"What do you do about the war on terror" is like asking, "Do you want to die." No we don't — therefore we must defend ourselves against this threat, and we have no option and no choice. The issue is how are we going to fight it most effectively, how are we going to make sure we go after the terrorists and pre-empt their violence and destroy them before they destroy us?

I think we have to destroy their infrastructure and deal decisively with those governments that are willing to aid and abet them and possibly give them weapons of mass destruction that could kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.

I would rather make a tough decision, based on the information we've got — and do what's necessary to prevent weapons of mass destruction that could kill 100,000 people — than to wait for the wisdom of hindsight to defend our people.

The wisdom of hindsight will leave hundreds of thousands of people dead. The wisdom of hindsight arrives too late to make the decision.

It turns out that the key to victory or defeat is moral understanding. The Islamic fascists are evil, and it is right to defend ourselves against them. But we do not fight them because they are Islamic, or even because they are fascists. We fight them because, by their practice of terror, they prove themselves to be people who have no regard for the fundamental tenets of decent conscience that we believe must be respected when human beings deal with one another, even in war.

Each time we speak of the war on terror, therefore, we evoke the moral cause of the war in which we are engaged. We rightly remind ourselves that our fight is not just against people who have attacked us, but against the evil that they embrace and embody in their heinous crimes against human conscience.

We also remind the world at large that the fight is not for us alone, but for people everywhere who believe that there are moral rules that should not be transgressed, even in war.


Alan Keyes for President
P.O. Box 50597
Provo, UT 84605-0597

Paid for by We Need Alan Keyes for President, Inc.

According to Wikipedia, Alan Keyes is Catholic. While that is disturbing to me from a doctrinal point-of-view, when I read his speeches, I don't get the sense that "the church" controls him. The "Roman Catholic Church" has always been an opponent of the KJB as well as any other attempts to bring the Word of God to the people, but I have met many Catholic individuals who have no issue with our text. That is not to say that they, and Keyes in particular, might be influenced negatively.

I couldn't say that Ron Paul is any more a proponent or any less an opponent to the Pure Text. He is either Lutheran or Episcopal based on what I have read. Please correct me if that is not true.

By the way, my last name is Keyes and I am Baptist, so does that balance Alan out any?:lol:

Just a note about the above quote from Alan Keyes:
Does that sound like a pacifist guided by the Vatican? I trow not!

(just a little archaic KJB language. )

WELL, I'm off to vote for my half-a-delegate Florida vote. The Paul folks made a good case, but Keyes it is!

Also, we are voting for two city commissioners. Last night, well after 11 p.m. the current bunch voted to give "transgendered" persons protection from us mean Christians. We now cannot refuse to:
-serve them in restaurants
-allow them the opportunity to rent from us
-hire them
-allow them access to whichever restroom they wish
New businesses must provide restrooms and dressing rooms to these poor, confused folks. What kind depends on what they are on a given day.
One of the two seats has an incumbent United Church "pastor" who along with the gay commissioner got this through.

Pray for Gainesville, Florida. We are becoming the San Francisco of the east.

This post was last modified: Tue Jan 29, 2008 04:25 PM by Brother Tim.

In regards to Israel directly, you are correct, they are different. But look at all of the other issues concerning interference with other countries, dumping money to them, etc. They are very similar.

What I said was foreign policy, I did not realize the subject was just Israel.

I also did not realize that Keyes was Catholic. But then again, on the outside of doctrine, Catholics have very high secular moral standards.

Mel Gibson is a Catholic.......

Love in Christ,

Jim

That is why there are so many claims for child abuse against their priests, no doubt.

A friend of mine was brought up, from the age of one, when both his parents died, in an RC orphanage in Ireland, and the accounts he gives on the abuse he suffered are horrific.

I can only imagine. It breaks my heart.

Sorry guys, I could no more vote for a catholic than I could for Romney, no matter how good their morals are. Some catholics aren't controlled by the church UNTIL they get elected (Kennedy - Vietnam?) America is surely going to be judged for her baby killing and sodomite agendas, but does that mean we are supposed to help the judgement along? I trow not - The Lord never said for us to throw up our hands and turn our country over to a bunch of pagans. As Christians, we are supposed to be taking ground away from the devil, not vice versa.

Oh well, 4 years from now, if we're still here, we'll be listening to the same song and dance and watching a new "dog & pony" show from the next batch of lame-stream media endorsed Dems/Repubs. Can't say you didn't have your shot at the title though.