I have been reiterating this discussion with someone controlling another website who used to take the KJV stance but has since waned to the MV's.

After having the discussion with him that I have had before with others, The Lord let me know something simple.

What does Proverbs 3:5-8 say?

Now let's think for a minute. This Proverb was given in the Old Testament, right? So all translator's of any bible should know these verses. right?

Do you think they obeyed this during their translation?

Now, the common argument I am seeing against the KJV is that "it is not correct in grammer, and we have more accurate translations today"

Hogwash!

The simple explanation is that these translators of the MV's are doing EXACTLY what the Lord has said NOT to do:

"Lean not into thine own understanding"

Isn't that exactly what they are doing? If the bible is not inspired as these MV defenders claim, then obviously they are leaning into their own understanding during the translation. And if they are disobeying a commandment, then they are going to make mistakes!

Correct me if I am wrong, but the translators also have to obey the bible right?

Love in Christ,

Jim

Not only that Jim, but the teams connected with the MV's say that the "best" translations were not available at the time of the origin of the beloved King James Version translation. Have you ever asked yourself who has decided which ones are best? Is it not the very men that were or are involved in the modern perversions?

The latest issue of "The Sword of The Lord" arrived in my mailbox yesterday. I noted an advertisement in it for a book published by Landmark Baptist Press of Haines City, FL concerning a study through the major translations of the English Bible. The very ad is intriquing. The following is quoted in the ad:

I do not know how many are aware of it but did you know that there have been SEVEN major translations of the English Bible starting with John Wycliffe and ending with our beloved King James Version? You don't suppose that is some kind of coincidence do you? Of course you must bear in mind that the definition of coincidence is: "When God wants to be anonymous."

I for one am going to order this book. It is titled: "Purified Seven Times." The information is available on page 6 of the December 31 issue of The Sword. If anyone does not have access to it I will gladly furnish the information on ordering. You can contact me at my email address which shows here on the forums.

I must make it plain that I am not in any way connected with the publisher nor am I anything more than a subscriber to The Sword. I just find this fascinating material and wanted to share it with others.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

George,

I have the book Purified Seven Times! I love the book it is a fast paced book that you can not put down. It will make you hug and kiss your KJB and prise God for it! No other book on earth has so many people died for than the King James Bible! I have given away many copys of this book to friends and family it comes with high regards.

to me the most compelling reason to be KJV only is that we as Christians, need to conform to Christ. If we change the wording of the Holy Bible to something that makes more sense to US, instead of what GOD said, how is that conforming? That is a clear implication of rebellion on man's part. To say that God's word is not understood, means that a person has not prayed for clarity.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Am I out of line here?

Like a lot of others I own several translations of the Bible. Most of them I acquired when I was younger and didn't know any better!

Today I use the KJV exclusively and although some of this may already have been covered in this forum, here is why I do:

The King James Version is the only translation based on the "Textus Receptus" the one manuscript that is 94% in agreement with the 3,000 surviving original manuscripts on which the Bible is based.

The NIV and other contemporary versions have left out as many as 200 verses from the original manuscripts.

The wording of many key phrases and many other old, familiar, inspirational verses has been watered down, or had the meaning changed completely.

God created us in His image, yet we continue to try to recreate God in our image, and specifically we resist changing ourselves to live our lives in accordance to the true Word of God, and we continue to alter the textual meanings of His Word to fit our own lifestyles and comfort zones!

The meaning of Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV natch!) is quite clear and I quote:

V18 " For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

V19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book."

It can't be any plainer than that! For those who insist on changing God's Word, be afraid...be very afraid!

I am going to fan and downright throw gasoline on the flames here.

Do we believe the KJV is inspired or do we believe it was left to scholars to translate it as accurately as possible?

Do we think:

1) The KJV is the infallible, inspired Word of God?
2) The KJV is the preserved Word of God via inspiration?
3) The KJV is the preserved Word of God via scholarly translation from available materials?
4) The KJV is just another translation that uses the best available materials?

Other questions to answer:

What exactly do we mean by the term "inspiration"?
(remember, perception is reality)

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I believe the Authorized KJV is "preserved by inspiration"

I believe God inspired the translators of the KJV to make a purified translation (someone mentioned "Purified Seven Times", I am going to try to get that book and read it, it sounds good) for the English speaking world as that became the dominant, commercial language for the common man, as Koine Greek was at the time of the original manuscripts.

Like I said before, If we believe that just translators came and decided to translate the bible by themselves, then how could we possibly believe in preservation? That, to me, is self-sufficiency. No wonder we have corrupted bibles today. If we blieve that there is no longer any inspiration, then we are in trouble, and cannot believe 1 Peter 1:23

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Love in Christ,

Jim

Hey Jim...
I am not going to hijack a thread here or anything of that nature... and from previous posts i think most already know that i am not a KJV only person or for that matter KJV only...

I own the book Purified Seven Times by Evangelist Bill Bradley... i purcahsed it in 1998 at a special commemorative service held in Northhampton Mass. for D.L. Moody sponsored by several Independent Baptist churches- actually AV Henderson spoke one night - that was great... anyhow...

After my posts you might think why did he buy the book- i was intrigued and also enjoyed it... a few years laters however i do need to say... i respect brother Bradley and his work for the Lord... but i want to just share that this issue of puirified seven times must be taken carefully. My only encouragemment is that students of the Bible would not build a doctrine from this one passage of scripture-- i know that could open a can of worms... however sometimes when we want to demonstrate our point or build a system of doctrine we get caught up in what i call "one passage wonders" -- i will not be cubersome or beligerent on this thread-- i only encourage you to not build a system of doctrine from this one verse...

I do believe the book is well written and i greatly value the stories of those who gave their lives for all the Englisgh translations of the Bible

Very Well, I was trying to be short and quick because of already using all of the verses you are referring to earlier in this thread, but here are they are nonetheless:

Psalm 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
12:7
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Story of Baruch..... Jer. 36

Psalm 119:152
Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


The verse I quoted previously was just relavent to the moment.

This post was last modified: Sun Jan 30, 2005 01:06 AM by Jim.

After further reading, I really think I ought to change my wording.

By calling the KJV preserved by inspiration, I am reiterating the word.

The very thought of preservation is understood by definition to mean "preserved by God" and I can avoid using the term "inspired"

I apologize to anyone I have confused. I do not believe in "Secondary inspiration"as it is correctly defined.

I need to understand that the very word "preservation" denotes the fact that the Lord God is in control of that preservation during translation.

I never really thought I could be taken that way, then I started reading myself and could see it.

Sometimes I confuse myself!

From now on, I will use the word inspired to mean the original manuscripts, and preserved to mean the translations based on the koine Greek TR's.

Hope this helps in clarifying my position.

Love in Christ,

Jim

Sorry Jim, i'm a little late in responding to your "fanning the flames" comment earlier in this forum. You've asked some good questions so let me see if I am on track about this point.

God did indeed inspire men to write down His word. The KJV is still regarded as the version that is the closest in meaning to the surviving original koine greek manuscripts, the common language of that day. So is this KJV version the preserved, infallible, inspired word of God? Yes! It is the preserved version of the infallible, inspired word of God.

Who translated it into english for King James might be a good question? Some very learned men who endured some hardships of their own: (I'll try to be brief)

John Bois-kept most complete account of activities of translaters, fluent Hebrew-Greek; read Hebrew Bible through when 5 years old.
Dean of Canterbury 1619

Lancelot Andrews-Chaplin to Queen Elizabeth; fluent 15 modern languages

Dr. William Bedwell-fluent in Arabic, Latin, Persian, oriental languages

Edward Lively-Regis professor of Hebrew at Cambridge, died after on year on translation committee

Dr. John Harding-Regis professor of Hebrew at Oxford

Miles Smith-Bishop of Gloucester 1612, noted orientalist

Dr. Andrew Downs-Regis professor of Greek at Oxford for 40 years

Also George Abbot and Sir Henry Seville considered to be unequaled translators in history of Biblical translations.

There may have been others, still of panel of note.

I misstated in my earlier post concerning the "textus receptus" or "received text" it agrees with 99.4% of the 5,000 plus surviving Greek manuscripts so you can be sure that if you hold the KJV, you have the word of God in your hand!

Thank you for your earlier good points Jim.

http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm

Imagin that brave souls name was none other than...

Guest

A lot of them are like that Brother Jack. They don't have the courage or the wherewithall to stand up for what they profess to believe so the hide behind their anonymity, dump their stuff and ride off into the sunset.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

I think he's using the drop-run-hide method for that post!

Doubt he'll be back, as a member anyway!

Jim

http://www.bible.ca/

You guys HAVE to check out this site! It is funny!

Make sure you listen to the demonically influenced 70's guessing songs they put on there too!

What a load of garbage.

Anyone endorsing that site has got some serious issues.

Jim