Jim, I noticed from the URL given in your last post that the site is in Canada. That explains a lot! The state of the church in Canada is pathetic at the present. This is not to say that there are not good churches left in Canada, but considering the overall state of things in the Great White North it is pretty bad. Personally I do not really trust anything that comes in the name of The Lord out of Canada unless I really check it out. But then I really don't have the inclination to check out a lot of the sites from Canada unless someone refers me to them.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

You are right. I know there are some good biblical places, but for the most part, a very liberal country.

Jim

It always amazes me that when you speak the truth you get an instant attack from the enemy and his detractors.

I visited the website link and if it was "guest's" intent to dissuade me from my belief that the KJV was the preserved, inspired word of God then here is a news flash: I didn't work!

Remember the old bumper stickers that you used to see: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it!" Well guest, that pretty well sums up my response.

In reality John45, those bumper stickers were about as far from correct as is possible. If God said it, that settles it. It does not matter one iota whether we believe it or not.

On the subject of bumper stickers: there is another one that is rather popular that is also about as wrong as it can get. That is the one that says: (can a bumper sticker "say" anything?) "God is my copilot." Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!

If God is the person behind the wheel's copilot there is a major problem with that person's relationship with The Lord. That means that person behind the wheel still wants to be in charge and only uses God when necessary. God ought be the PILOT! We are only along for the ride. And I might add, at His convenience.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

George, as usual you've made an excellent point. I guess it is just hard for any of us to remove "self" from the equation! Someone once passed a memo around my job that said somewthing along the lines of: "Hello, this is God. I will be handling all of your problems today, and...I will not be needing your help!"

About the "God is my co-pilot point, God is indeed the Pilot and the Navigator, we are just the passengers.

Thanks for your response.

Just thought I let you all know that I do agree with you all about the King James Bible. Though I will probably not be as agressive to those who disagree.

Anyway, I just wanted you all to know you have my support on this issue.

I am not trying to open a can of nuclear particles here, but I am really curious about something. Of course with complete respect and agreement with Brother Ray, I am also a complete advocate of the KJV and only use this version for my studies, unless I am refuting the NIV, then I need to know my enemies.

Anyhow I am going to take a poll, and watch everyone discuss different versions of the bible and why people read them. I want to hear what everyone has to say.

Forgive me if I have repeated some of the versions in the poll, I do not claim to know what all of these versions are, just that they exist and seem to be popular with a lot of people.

May Christ put a guard at our mouths and a watch at our lips during this thread.

In Christ,

Jim

As a British Christian, it never ceases to amaze me how combustable the discussion about Bible versions is in America. In this country you could wait for several months of Sundays before hearing any Christians give the KJV v NIV discussion, for example, a second thought. Same goes for the rapture for that matter.

Hey pm, Ever been to Brimpton, Berkshire?

anyhow, yes, it seems to be a big thing here.

This is no offense to anyone, but when you have people that an unquenchable desire to learn the Word of God, you come with things that Holy Spirit teaches. We can never learn everything there is to know about the bible while we are here on earth.

As we have a yearning for the pure and revelational things of God, we stand to search for those things.

Remember that the bible says:

Are you of a mind to agree that the more you study something, the more you learn about it? Can we also say that this is true with the Holy Spirit? I think so. If we show the Lord a heart to study and learn His Will, He will reveal things to us that is not revealed to others.

Having a contention in the faith or doctrine is certainly not unusual, nor is it bad, in a sense. The people you really have to worry about are the people that will cry for unity at the behest of doctrine. Those are the people to stay away from.

Remember when Paul separated from Barnabas?

There will always be contention between doctrine, it will never go away.

If you believe something, and can biblically back it up, don't compromise it, just to be "agreeable". That shows an unstable man, and we know what the Lord says about that:

If you believe what is right, and have the scripture to back it up, stick with it, period.

Love in Christ,

Jim

kjv here

This just discusses a little about the change to the new NIV.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...xhome.html

I find it very ironic that the SBC would decry this latest translation whilst embracing the very bible it is based on. I guess, to them anyway, the first one was ok, but the second wasn't. Where is that line of thinking coming from?

Keep track of it NIV readers, keep track of it, then ask yourselves, "Do I really have the Word of God"?

Love in Christ,

Jim

Yes Jim, I do...

Yes Jim, I do...

Then you have every right to read and believe it.

I never will.

Love in Christ,

Jim

This is an interesting question Brother Jim. Very interesting indeed.

Do I really have the Word of God in that I have a Book that contains the Word of God? Indeed I do. In fact I have a number of them dating back to one that was published in Cambridge in 1688. All of the King James Version I should add.

Do I really have the Word of God in the sense that I possess it or fully understand it, most certainly not. There have been, and still exist, great numbers of men that have devoted their lives to the study of God's Word. The vast majority of them much more intelligent than I. These men will be the first to admit that they do not fully "have the Word of God."

What a glorious thing it would be if before I leave this earthen vessel (2 Cor 4:7) I would even begin to fully understand and apply even half of what is contained in God's Written Instruction Manual.

Is it not interesting that there is an incredible parallel between the way human beings treat the Bible and the instruction manuals that come with computers? I know this is an earthly comparison but if you look at the situation closely you will see the comparison readily. If you are anything like me, when you get a new computer or some kind of new fangled dodad that you are going to add to the computer system you usually pull the thing out of the box, hook it up and hope it works.

Only when we discover that dispite our best intentions the thing does not go as we had wished it had do we open the instruction manual that came with it. There are a lot of us that treat the Instruction Manual the The Lord gave us exactly the same way. We blindly go about our lives doing what we think best hoping the results turn out to our benefit or the beneit of others. Only when we get in dire straits do we open the Instruction Manual to seek a solution to the problems that we have created when we realize that things did not go the way we intended.

Do I really have the Word of God? The answer is most assuredly yes and no.

Yours in Christ,
George Groce

Just wanted to add one more thing:

Jim said:

By that same reasoning, I could ask why you reject the New King James Bible but embrace the one it's based on.