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Brother Tim
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Brother, we have always been on the same side ... you're just lagging behind a little bit. 
Sic'em, bro!
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Paul was very interested in getting his people saved.
If Water Baptism is so needed for salvation as some water d... believe....
Then please tell us why O...Y did Paul not get sent to baptize but only preach the Gospel of Christ?
Pretty silly.
When it proves too much.. then one knows nothing was really proven.
Even to the point that he REJOICED that he baptized none...
opps. exposed yet again.
Then someone bleats that one needs to read the Bible?
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 01:12 PM |
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Jim
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
kmd Wrote:
By faith, Abraham was always obedient and never complained or argued with God, even when he was asked to sacrifice his only promised son.
Truly Abe was a man of faith, but "always" and "never" are not words I would used to describe him. Especially when he lied about his wife in fear for his life (which would be a lack of faith in God).
That's right Tim! Also, it is amazing that since Sarah, Abraham's wife gave him Hagar, that multiple wives was CONDONED. Wrong. Abraham sinned against God when he lay with Hagar. Why do you think the Jews have been tormented by Islamists for so long? It was prophesied because of Abrahams sin(Gen 15).
All you have to do, Jim, is look at how you try to twist the passages of baptism into spirit baptism. I shouldn't have to point it out for you.
I am not twisting anything, I am reading God's Word the way He wants us to read it, not with our own private interpretation.
It was the Baptist church I left.
Which explains your false doctrine.
As for teens screaming at a concert which was not worship to begin with . . . you can't hold one person accountable for another's poor judgement
You didn't read that apparently, there were HUNDREDS of CoC's across the nation being represented by all of these teens. I didn't see any of the chaperones or assistant pastors refuting it.....
It would take more time than I am willing to give to you to refute everything you've just said.
You had better take the time. Your not doing so well at this point.
Denominationalists cannot stand to be disagreed with,
And yet another hypocritical statement. You're good at these. Who can't stand to be disagreed with? Who was so arrogant as to ingore a statement of faith and come, uninvited roaring a false doctrine, then complain when someone says "your wrong"?
I'm sorry you reject that belief is a work. The Bible clearly says that it is
It does? Where? I must have missed the scripture you gave to support this claim.
Further note that in Titus 3:5, the 'washing of regeneration' is separated from 'works of righteousness' which shows that baptism is not a work. The water is not regenerating in itself, but the act of obedience from a pure heart is what is regenerating.
Oh really???!??! You just admitted that the water itself has NOTHING to do with regeneration! Baptism in water, physically has NOTHING to do with it.
Just as your corrupt bible has missed (don't go there Greektim), Acts says:
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And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
8:37
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
I know you like your NIV and NKJV, but if you had taken the time to read, which I know you haven't, you would see that we do not use those versions.
One other point of interest is this: water immersion has its roots in Judaism,
Greektim answered you correctly that this has pagan roots. Also the baptism of the dead, and the baptism of infants, all opposed to God's word.
I would not be at all surprised to see my posts deleted. If they are, I will take that as a sign that you are threatened by the truth that is found in the Word of God.
I won't delete your posts, I will just ban you when we are tired of your rhetoric. If your purportations and parroting are against our fundamental doctrine and statement of faith, then why are you here? You are the one void of truth.
We are not threatened by truth, on the contrary, the scripture given to you has clearly refuted any of your personal interpretation of scripture.
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Jim
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This post was last modified: Tue Apr 08, 2008 04:31 PM by Jim.
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
PeterAV Wrote:
kmd406 Wrote:
There is no record of musical instruments in worship until the Catholic church brought them in, around 666 A.D.
KMD,
You R wrong on this one here.
Just read Psalms 150.
This little chapter alone shows you to be more wrong than wrong can possibly be.
You need to check this out, Peter . . . it is well documented. We are nowhere commanded to use instruments in the N.T. The entire old law and all of its practices were nailed to the cross. No one was doing it under the new covenant. Any reference to singing included only that. Also look at Amos 6:1,5.
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You switched up what you first stated.
Now you specify the NT. But you did not in the statement that I replied to.
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Just because a certain word is not in the passage does not mean that those things are there in reality.
The Bible could have been so huge as to fill the earth, but God saw fit to use only 66 books.
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Their Tactics
The Church of Christ denomination uses four main tactics in debating their pet doctrines. These tactics are generally used by all cultic groups. They are:
1. Change the subject,or facts of the subject
2. Take scripture out of context
3. Straw man arguments
4. Ad hominem attacks (attacking you instead of the issue)
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| Wed Apr 09, 2008 01:06 PM |
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Try separating what I said from what you said there dinglberry.
You have my quotes and you simply add on to my sentences.
This is dishonesty to say the least.
There is no record of musical instruments in worship until the Catholic church brought them in, around 666 A.D.
KMD,
You R wrong on this one here.
Just read Psalms 150.
This little chapter alone shows you to be more wrong than wrong can possibly be. You need to check this out, Peter . . . it is well documented. We are nowhere commanded to use instruments in the N.T. The entire old law and all of its practices were nailed to the cross. No one was doing it under the new covenant. Any reference to singing included only that. Also look at Amos 6:1,5.
Even the reformers did not accept musical instruments in worship.
Say what? Please finish the sentence......tick,tick..tick..
For instance, I believe it was John Wesley, that said that he was not opposed to instruments in the sanctuary, so long as they were not "seen nor heard." Mechanical instruments were not widely used until around the 1300s. The early church fathers have a lot to say about that. It is readily available information.
That should make an interesting study for you.
Useless verbage. Idle words.
God never commanded us to use musical instruments, but he did condemn those who worshiped Him in an unauthorized manner (Lev 10:1-7).
You lie again... ho hum....God did command in his word to use musical instruments. So read it again, since you stated unbelief again. Where?
David did lots of things that you wouldn't dream of doing today,
So as a people we grow, but the lessons are the same and just as valid. More idle words.
including multiple wives, animal sacrifices, dancing in worship, etc.
That is simply denominational doctrine and not Bible. Clarify, please.
ust because God didn't say not to doesn't give us authority to do it.
Just because he says we can, does not mean that we always are allowed to do it. ... The other side of the coin... If God gives a very explicit command, we are to do it. If we do what he has not commanded, it is presumptuous and of our own will.
That's what it is all about . . . letting God dictate how we worship Him. Anything else is will-worship and a doctrine of man.
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Well, after following your man made thoughts, it is obvious that you don't read the Holy Bible for God's glory; PLUS you do not put things in proper context...nor do you apply useful words to promote truth....but instead promote vapours of man's wisdom in the place of God. If God doesn't say to worship Him in such a way, I find no reason that I should act of my own will and do it anyway. I can tell by your attitude that you do not read the Bible for God's glory but instead use it as a tool to promote your own agenda. It is very clear that God told us nowhere to use mechanical instruments and that it was not done for centuries after the apostolic age. I have no control over that.
If you ordered a pizza with pepperoni, and the guy delivered pepperoni, mushrooms, onions, and peppers, would you be upset? Of course!
Not at all, in fact.
I would feel blessed to receive more than I asked for,because I am content where I am, already. If you didn't want muchrooms, onions, and peppers, you would be upset. You would also refuse to pay for it. If you took your car to have it repaired and asked for a new fan belt, but the mechanic performed ten items that you didn't ask for and presented you with a bill, you would not feel "blessed." This is all about authority, Peter. God did not give it.
Now, you didn't tell him NOT to put those extra things on your pizza. Your lack of requesting them was a silent command to do nothing but put pepperoni on your pizza.
Not completely true.
Many times, people do more than is expected and many are wondered at them and appreciative of what has happened.
So much so, that they are glad of what has happened, and not upset whatsoever.
PeterAV
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| Wed Apr 09, 2008 01:11 PM |
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
The topic is not about David and his many wives.
To trumpet this and declare it, is complete stupidity at the hight of man's wisdumb.
The topic is about water dogs are a false heretical cult because they believe in works to save them.
You can change the topic to David if you want but we all know that you are just changing the topic.
Typical CoC's ploy to continue the outright Satanic lie of God's pure word.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say one must use a computer. So you are being in sin as well.
See how silly your petty argument is about Music?
When you prove too much, you in fact prove nothing at all.
Zip.
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
PeterAV, please accept this rebuke in humility.
Try separating what I said from what you said there dinglberry. (emphasis mine)
Eph. 4:15 - "But speaking the truth in love..." That is lacking somewhat when you resort to name calling. Especially when you accused kmd of the ad hominem. Why stoop to his level?
I hope I didn't open mouth and insert foot. If I misread you then I apologize. But if kmd is going to be won over to the truth, then calling him a name is not the best strategy.
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Amen,GreekTim! Peter, lift up your argument to the level of righteousness.
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
I'm glad i'm saved, and not some body!
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Oh, I don't know - I kinda like dingleberries!!! 
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| Fri Apr 11, 2008 08:52 AM |
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Pray tell, what IS a dingleberry?
Please don't answer this. GreekTim told me to google it. Shame on you, Peter. Perhaps you didn't know what you were saying, so you ought to retract it.
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
MS, you oughta know better.......
OK ,folks, let's take a breather.
If you were talking to a catholic in the catholic thread, i wouldn't have a problem with it.........
JUST KIDDING!!!!!!
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Jim
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
All joking aside, not only what was told here, but what does the Lord say about our conversation?
1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Is your username after the book of Peter?
Romans 7:24
O wretched man that I am!...
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
Wasn't the old English word for conversation used in 1 Pet. 1:15 as a reference to behavior?
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Brother Tim
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RE: Is the Church of Christ "Cambellites" a cult?
"for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh." (Luke 6:45c)
Our words are a reflection of our conduct.
Note the amplification of the word with the phrase "all manner of".
"Every word of God is pure:" (Proverbs 30:5a)
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