No your foolish questions having ulterior motives is folly you fool.
Of course I have a motive -- trying to educate you out of your blindness towards the Church.
Again you are showing your stupidity. What I stated was not wrong. You proved that by answering the statement with an answer that had NOTHING to do with my answer above. Nowhere in my statement above did I refute the fact that the ceremony was done once a year. So your assertion of what you have said as a basis for refutation of my above statement is pure foolishness. If you are going to argue something, then don't change the subject.
No, I was answering you. The answer you gave was trying to indicate that the work of the high priest is for our individual sins. I was showing you that it is not. You just don't care to listen.
Again, because of the continuity disparity, I can only assume you have changed gears here and are now speaking of Christ? Under this assuption, I give you an emphatic NOTHING. It means absolutely nothing as a "corporate body". As a universal body, under the blood of Jesus Christ it means salvation for all received, only once required. The debt was pais at calvary, never to be repeated. You see, I am not going to be taken in by your catechistically indoctrinated terms.
I told you what the work of the high priest is. It was done for Israel as a corporate body. Even Protestant theologians admit this. Yet you constantly try, as do all Fundamentalists, to make the corporate work, which was done only for the covenantal body, to be for individuals and their sins. This is simply not so. You cannot appeal to the verses that are speaking about the "once and forever done" sacrifice of Christ and apply them to individuals when the context is that Jesus is acting as high priest and performing YOM KIPPUR.
Being wrong in your eyes is no offense to me. Being justified and sanctified by Christ is important, but you wouldn't know what that was, would you
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The problem is not that you are wrong in my eyes. It is that you are not accepting the biblical definitions that I am pointing out. You are making Jesus into something other than a high priest.
Stop changing gears then in your own mind and identify the covenant to which are referring. If you are talking about O.T. and "Yom Kippur" and other O.T. ceremonies and covenant, and then the very next sentence you use the term "covenant", then explain yourself. We obviously do have forgiveness of sins under the blood covenant of Jesus Christ, that ENDED the OLD COVENANT!
If Jesus is a high priest, then He must be doing the same work of a high priest which was outlined in the OT. Perhaps you have a verse or two which show that a high priest no longer offers YOM KIPPUR, but in the absence of such verses, which I have never seen in scripture, He is doing but one thing in Heaven when He offers sacrifice -- that would be offering YOM KIPPUR.
WRONG!!!!!! The high priest had nothing. Past tense. You are the one who is blind, still proclaiming the ceremonial bondage under the old covenant! Just look at the pomp and circumstance of the catholic mass and liturgies
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Hebrews 8:5 and 9: 23 - 24 shows us that the worship we perform on earth should be a "type and shadow" of that which is the heavenly reality. Heaven is a place of beauty, of incense, of priests, of colors, of hymsn and praises, of offerings, of palatial splendor. Read Revelations and see if your "worship" looks anything like that picture which is found in Revelation. Fundametnalism looks nothing like Heaven at all. There is no hierarchail structure to it, no candles, incense, beauty, color, or anything. It is just barren white walls which match the barren and unsacramental man made religion you folks came up with.
Now think with me, Jim. If Heb. 8:5 says that God admonished (a very strong word of warning!) Moses to follow His pattern for the tabernacle in the wilderness, then what Moses created in the Jewish pattern of worship was not only the proper picture of the heavenlies, but the way that all men at all time should worship. Christianity was not a new "religion". It was Judaism coming into fulfillment in Christ. Therefore, the Christian worship should look like Judaism. The only thing that is different is that Jesus is present now in fulfillment in all the rituals. Thus the Passover is changed to the Eucharist. Circumcision is changed to baptism. Just to name a few of the continuations.
How do you justify your woship when it doesn't even LOOK Jewish, much less like Heaven?
Yes, that is the problem....you bring Him again, and again, and again......
You don't believe Christ died(past tense) once and for all. Every time you believe you are drinking His blood, you cannibal, you recrucify Christ in your own mind.
I have told you already from scripture in Hebrews -- the once and for all death of Christ was a YOM KIPPUR offering for God to reconcile the world to Himself. Hebrews is speaking of the "once and for all" offering being done by a high priest. That can only be YOM KIPPUR. Following the Jewish pattern which God gave Moses, we still must bring the appropriate sacrifice for our own sins every time we sin against God. That sacrifice is the Lamb of God and the place to find Him is only on the altar of the Catholic Church.
In the New Covenant, the timeless sacrifice of Christ is brought to the altar and made present there for sinners. After the sinner confesses his/her sins, he/she eats the Lamb of God and recieves forgiveness of his/her sins.
I am not even going to dignify this blasphemy with a response.
Because it is Truth and you have no response to refute it with. The same offering system which was in Judaism -- remember, Jim, it was given to Moses by God as a representation of the heavenly truth -- continues in the New Covenant. Your problem is that you think that "new" covenant means completely "different". It does not. It means that the Old Covenant continues in a different form -- i.e., fulffilled in Christ. So the same rituals exist, but in fulfillment. As I said Passover becomes the Eucharist. We eat the Lamb of God offered for our sins so that the death angel passes over us.
The bride of Christ will be taken at the rapture. He is the groomsman awaiting His Bride when the Father says "Go". Leave the flesh out of it you blasphemer
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I thought you were a "bible only" Christian, Jim. There is no such thing as a "rapture" found in the scriptures. The Greek word is "parousia" and it means "presence". Jesus promised in Matthew 16:28 that He would return in the glory of the Father before all who were there listening to Him died. He did that already. His "parousia" has taken place and He is with us. The only thing we are waiting for is His Second Coming, which is spoken of in John 5: 28 - 29.
We are the Bride of Christ right now. We have a real and ongoing relationship with Him right now. Therefore, we experience all that married couples experience in their lives, including the intimacy of love. I don't have to wait for Heaven to experience God's love. He is here now among us and we are His people -- His Bride.
If it is the blood of Christ, can you please tell me what it tastes like? Or are you all too drunk at that point to describe it? Have you ever drank blood before? Do you know what tastes like? You fool.
No. But there is a lady over in Korea who had the Host change to flesh and blood in Her mouth. It was photographed by people there and is a verified miracle of the Church. Perhaps you could write to her and ask her this question.
We consume that which has changed in its substance, yet it retains the "accidents" of form which we actually see -- bread and wine.
And yet you continue the sacrifice in your minds by the Eucharist. It is very ironic how you completely dismissed your very argument here. If it is fulfilled, then why do you continue the sacrifice(fulfillment) in your Eucharist again, and again, and again......
Jim....fulfilled does not mean "ended". The PROPHECIES are fulfilled. That means that the Jewish worship is changed because now instead of them being prophetic services, they point back to what Christ did as Mesiah.
And furthermore, we see in Revelations that in the mystery of timeless eternity, our Lord was the "Lamb slain before the foundation of the world". That means that even before the Word appeared in chronological time and hung upon the Cross, He had been hanging upon the Cross forever in timeless eternity. He came Incarnate and made that which was the reality of Heaven to be present in time. We saw it in 33AD on a hill in Jerusalem. But it had always existed.
And when the priest pronounces the words of consecration, that timeless event is made present in time once again upon every altar of every Othodox and Catholic Church. It is not "done and over" It is ever present in Heaven, and we just partake of it here and now in time.
George didn't run you fool, he just got tired yof your blasphemy.
I'll say it again -- George ran. Period.
No you don't. Your answers proceed from your own wicked twisting of the scriptures.
This is, of course, what I constantly heard when I was a Fundamentalist. Everyone who disagreed with our preacher -- even other Fundamentalists!! -- were engaging in "wicked twisting of the scriptures" And this from a guy who believes in the myth of the "rapture" which word cannot be even found in scripture!!!
Then why do you say them? Let's see what the bible says about vain repetitions:
They are a form of meditative prayer -- something else Fundamentalism never taught me.
How about some repetition from the Bible?
What about the angels in heaven who sing day and night "Holy, holy, holy" and cease not? I would call that repetition. Seems God doesn't mind that a bit. Perhaps Jesus was talking about prayers not said in F*A*I*T*H, which are often repetitive to cover up the lack of faith.
Brother Ed
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You blasphemer! You actually believe this don't you? Why don't you go worship Kali? It's the same anyhow.