A once-popular form of breakfast food called cereal made by a company by the name of Post. Rarely seen in today's busy homes.

This post was last modified: Thu May 08, 2008 01:50 PM by Brother Tim.

It is a breakfast cereal that if I remember correctly was the first corn flake product to be marketed in the US.

As far as new threads are concered Brothers, please feel free to start one whenever you feel inspiried to. It is easy to do. Just select the forum you wish to start one in and then click on New Thread. That will get us going in whatever direction you are moved to go in.

In Christ,
George

Oh, NO!! I'm seeing "post" everywhere! Why must I "post" a reply? GreekTim, check to see if the Greek for post could be better translated "send". It is easier and clearer for non-computer-wise members. And what confusion can come from PREviewing your POST?!

I just remembered that there was a similar thread about the beginning of the Church. I only caught the tail end of that one but it is nearly the same issue.

Sorry, guys. I'll behave. This is the only way I can get over the mully-grubs. (deep breath) Okay. --- I'm fine.

No problem Brother. There must have been something in the air or something last night because I did not sleep well either.

In Christ,
George

I had to go back to work after church and didn't get to bed until after 4 am. I also was dealing with that "other problem".

Oh, yes, GT, I see that hand!

The two-part question: (feel free to answer, everyone who is pre-trib)
1. Are there any people saved during the tribulation?
2. If yes,then who exactly are they, and very specifically, how are they saved?

(Yes, I can count three questions, but bear with me here, I didn't have ixkatallagee in semitary.)

1. Yes, of course!
2. Trib saints
understood 3. the same way as in every dispensation - by grace through faith. Particularly, the gospel of the Kingdom will be preached during the Trib (Matt. 24:14). That relates to the same message preached by Christ at His 1st advent - repent for the Kingdom is at hand, Israel! The message of the cross will also be apart of that message since it will be after the cross work.

(not sure that I understand your transliteration - "ixkatallagee")

Like I tell my students, sound it out ... ix ka tal la gee

Answer #2 not exact enough. Jews? Gentiles? both? how many?

Answer #3 not specific enough. How does the Holy Spirit enter into the event of salvation? Same in every disp? Is the Holy Spirit present within individuals during the trib as in the "church" age?

Understand that because I am unsure of a "great tribulation"'s existence, I am only asking the questions to gain information, not (initially at least) to challenge the doctrine. I will only challenge if the answeree is unsure of himself. Consider this a survey, not a debate.

By the way, my closest friend around here, a Baptist pre-trib pastor says no one will be saved. So now we have 1 yes and 1 no. (obviously the second part didn't count for him)

2. Jews and Gents (Matt. 25). The difference being from the Church is that they are not brought into one body, the one new man, the Body of Christ, the Church.

3. The Holy Spirit does what He has always done cross-dispensationally - convict of sin. It still seems you are making a result of salvation a requisite of salvation. I am not sure that we are told in Scripture of any Spirit indwelling in the Trib. We see it in the Church age. Some see it in the OT (though it is not continual like it is in the Church nor does it fulfill the same purpose which makes me think it is something different). We see it promised as part of the New Covenant promised to Israel so it will take place in the Kingdom. I don't think this issue is very pertinent to the issue though.

This Friday and Saturday I will be at a men's retreat that will be heavily populated by hellfire-n-brimstone, touch-my-KJB-and-that-will-be-the-last-thing-you-touch preachers. I'd be willing to make a bet with you guys that not only are they all pre-tribbers, but that no two out of the dozen or so that will be there would answer my questions the same way. No wonder I can't figger it out in my little pea-brain.

I am not sure how he can come to such a conclusion that none will be saved in the Trib. That is crazy.

Too bad there is so much confusion. YOu would think that since the same translation is used, that there would be cohesion not confusion. Interesting...

Again, I am not sure how somone can come to a conclusion that there is no salvation in the Trib. I have a feeling you misunderstood him. There is a view that says that anyone who has heard the Gospel before the beginning of the Trib but rejected it, will not get saved (or be able to be saved???) during the Trib. That might be what he meant.

Negative, he was very specific. He said it was a time of wrath. There would be no hope for any who were left behind at the rapture.

If you think a bunch of KJBOs' confusion over a very fragmented doctrine could be cleared up by introducing other versions, then you are dreaming.