There are Catholic's who receive Christ as their Personal Savior. I am a Catholic who received Christ as my Personal Savior during an Altar Call at my brother's Non Denominational Church in 1999. I pray the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer only because the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer comes from the Bible and the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer does not come from the Bible. I do not pray to the Saints. I do not believe in the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saint. I believe that Christ is the only intercessor between God and Man. I do not believe that the Virgin Mary was conceived without sin. I do not believe in Purgatory. I do not believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I do not believe that the Pope is infallible. I do not believe that the Catholic Church is the only True Church. I consider Protestant Churches who believe that Christ is God and who believe in the Holy Trinity are also True Churches. I still have a statue of the Virgin Mary, pictures of Saints, a couple of Crucifixes, a couple pictures of Jesus, a Catholic Rosary and an Eastern Orthodox Rosary but I see no reason to get rid of them since I do not pray to them or bow down to them. When the Rosary is prayed in church I only pray the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer and I pray the Glory Be Prayer(Prayer to the Holy Trinity) and the Lord's Prayer.

I still believe that Saint Peter was the First Pope. I still believe in Infant Baptism as well as Adult Baptism but I do not believe that Baptism imparts salvation to the infant or adult. I believe that all Baptism is just a dedication of infants and adutls to Jesus. I still believe that Baptism is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I do not believe that the bread and wine of Holy Communion are the actual body and blood of Christ. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation. I still believe that Holy Communion is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I do not believe in Individual Confession. I only go to Communal Reconciliation Service where we go to church and confess our sins directly to Jesus and then go up to the altar where the Priest lays hands on and gives a blessing. I still believe that Confession is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted but only in the form of Communal Reconciliation Service. I still believe that Confirmation is the impartation of the Holy Spirit on the Confirmation candidate. I still believe that Confirmation is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I still believe that Holy Ordination of Priests is scriptural and is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I do not believe that Anointing of the Sick results in salvation. I believe that all Anointing of the Sick is just for healing of the sick as is mentioned in the Book of Saint James. I still believe that Anointing of the Sick is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted.

I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass which are (1)Sign of the Cross,(2)Apostles and Nicene Creeds,(3)Readings from the Bible,(4)Penitential Rite,(5)Lord'sd Prayer,(6)Prayers to Jesus and (7)Eucharistic Prayer(Except for mentioning of the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints) which contains the words that Jesus used at the Last Supper. The unscriptural parts of the Mass that I do not participate in are (1)When everybody else states "We acknowledge one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins" I remain silent and I do not make that statement,(2)When everybody else states "And I ask blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints" I remain silent and I do not make that statement,(3)During the Eucharistic Prayer when the Mass being a sacrifice and the inercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints is mentioned I do not pay attention to those statements I think about something else and (4)When I receive both the bread and the wine during Holy Communion I do not believe that the bread and the wine are the actual body and blood of Christ. I consider the bread and wine to be just bread and wine like the Lutherans do.

All Catholics believe that Christ is their Savior. What is the point of your post.

ChiFaithful,

The Catholic Church does not teach that Christ must be received as Personal Savior only in order to be saved without the Sacraments being involved in salvation. Belief in Purgatory negates Christ's sacrifice on the Cross because it gives a second chance at gaining salvation. There is only one chance at gaining salvation and that is in this life by receiving Christ as Savior.

ChiFaithful,

The Catholic Church does not teach that Christ must be received as Personal Savior only in order to be saved without the Sacraments being involved in salvation. Belief in Purgatory negates Christ's sacrifice on the Cross because it gives a second chance at gaining salvation. There is only one chance at gaining salvation and that is in this life by receiving Christ as Savior.

Catholics do not believe that the souls in Purgatory are given a "second chance." They are already saved and will not go to hell. They are simply being cleansed of sins. And I understand that you disagree with that last point, but please understand what Catholics actually believe before making such remarks.

If yo udo not believe in them, when why are you keeping them? Why would you even want the representation of idols in the home?

From your post, it looks like your halfway there! Just a few more traditions and doctrines to get rid of before you're in the truth.


Chi, first you say:

Then you say(in reference to purgatory):

This is completely contradictory. The doctrine of purgatory negates the sanctification by Christ Jesus.

I would daresay, I probably know more about the catholic doctrine than you do.

At the very least I know that the Catholic doctrine is blasphemous and sacreligious.

Jim

To my Catholic friends, GET OUT OF THAT CHURCH! My family has produced 4 Catholic priests, and both my father and I spent over 40 years in the Church of Rome. There is no salvation in the RCC. All you have now is the Social Gospel, superstition, paganism and much ignorance.

If you have repented of your sins (Acts 17) and received Jesus as one's own Saviour (John 1:12) then you're saved.

You don't need this false Church any longer. If Christ can set you free, that don't waste any more time going through this 'religious system.'


http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com

If a Catholic receives Christ as their Savior there is no reason why they can not remain in the Catholic Church if they dispense with the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass and every night when they go to bed rededicate their life to Christ and ask Him to forgive any sins that they may have committed during the day. Even if a Catholic who has received Christ as their Savior does not leave the Catholic Church they will still go to Heaven when they pass away because they received Christ as their Savior which is the only requirement for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven.

I believe if a person repents, I don't see how the conviction of the Holy Spirit could allow them to stay(in the RCC) with out quenching it(the Holy SPirit).

Just my thoughts,

Love in Christ,

Jim

This post was last modified: Fri Feb 10, 2006 08:32 AM by Jim.

My friend, if you worked in a pub and got saved, you'd leave that venue and go work elsewhere. Why would you wish to remain in a false Church? And are you going to sit down when they are all standing up saying the 'Hail Mary.' Would you turn to those around you and tell them that this isn't Scriptural? And what about the Eucharist? Do you tell those that what this 'priest' is doing is nothing more than witchcraft (bringing down the Son of God from Heaven.) Would you tell the priest after the mass that this whole service is heretical? No, of course you wouldn't - if you had any sense, you'd get up and GO!

Read Rev. 18:4:"Come out of her my people." Are you one of His people? Then you need to COME OUT OF HER. We did and so have many other committed believers.

Amen to that!

I should also say to those that may not know, that if Catholics don't agree with what their church teachers, they are anathematised. They are cursed (125 times!)

To each doctrine one refuses to hold to, they are cursed.

Robert, Greetings

July 4th is the indepedence day of your great country. On that same date in 1533, a young man from my town was burnt at the stake in Smithfield, London. His Crime? He didn't believe in the real presence in the Bread and wine. He was burnt at the same time as John Frith, of of the most learned men of his day.

From Foxes Actes and Monuments vol. V in my copy.

Another man who was a associated with my town, Nicholas Shetterton, was burnt at the stake in Canterbury also for rejecting the real presence.

You say you don't believe in the actual presence. Then as far as I can see, your church considers it has the right to burn you, for she has never admitted she is wrong. The RC wafer is her god. If you don't accept that you are not a Roman Catholic.

Love in Christ

This post was last modified: Sat Feb 11, 2006 04:21 PM by Davo.

Jim,

I am keeping the statue of the Virgin Mary, pictures of Saints, a couple of Crucifixes, a couple pictures of Christ, a Catholic Rosary and an Eastern Orthodox Rosary because I do not see anything wrong with keeping them if I do not pray to them or bow down to them and because they are family heirlooms especially one of the Crucifixes which belonged to my Grandparents and one of the pictures of Christ which belonged to my Great Aunt and the Eastern Orthodox Rosary which belonged to my Great Aunt.

jgb321,

I am remaining in the Catholic Church because I like the liturgical worship service better then the non liturgical worship services that Fundamentalist and Evangelical Churches have. Another reason that I am remaining in the Catholic Church is because I like to go to Saturday Vigil worship instead of Sunday Morning worship in order to do other things on Sunday like laying around the house until going out to lunch and do some shopping. And besides even if a Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or a Mainline Protestant who has received Christ as their Savior does not leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or a Mainline Protestant Church after receiving Christ as their Savior they will still gain entrance into Heaven after passing away because they had received Christ as their Savior which is the only requirement for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody passes away and they stand before Christ Christ will not ask them why they did not belong to a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior because church membership has no bearing on salvation.

The Hail Mary Prayer is not said during Mass. I pray the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer and not the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer comes from the Bible and thus the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer is scriptural to pray whereas the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer does not come from the Bible and thus the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer should not be prayed. The whole Mass is not unscriptural. There are scriptural parts to the Mass. I do not communicate with the Priest about anything pertaining to that I do not believe all Catholic doctrine because it really is none of his business that I do not believe all Catholic doctrine. I deny totally that the Mass is a sacrifice. I deny totally that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Christ. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation instead. When I receive both the bread and the wine I consider the bread and wine to be just bread and wine. I do not care that I considered anathama by the Catholic Church. I am not some stupid and uneducated ignoramas blindly believing all Catholic doctrine. I am a college graduate who thinks logically and analytically and thus I am able to ascertain which Catholic doctrines are logical and scriptural and should be adhered to and which Catholic doctrines are illogical and unscriptural and should be dispensed with. I expect that other Catholics who are college graduates should be able to do what I did.

Davo,

That is totally ridiculous that the Catholic Church is going to start the Inquisition again. The Catholic Church is not going to start engaging in homicidal activities again. I consider myself to be a Catholic even if I do not believe in a lot of the Catholic doctrine because I attend Mass every weekend and I am on the membership roll of a Catholic Church.