I sure hope some of our Catholic friends spend as much time and effort trying to win souls to Christ, as they do fighting tooth and nail on Biblical forums like this one?

James

The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple (Ps. 19:7)

Brother James,

That is one thing I don't think the RCC is ever worried about.

Didn't Spurgeon say that for those that are happy to go to Heaven on their own can be sure of one thing: they aren't going to Heaven at all (my paraphrase.)

I was 15 years in the Church of Rome and I can honestly say that in my Church of over 2,000 people, I don't recall one person taking the initiative to do anything to get people saved. A few would bring associates to the Church, but they couldn't tell you the plan of salvation if their soul depended on it.

jgb321,

I learned what the plan of salvation was in about 1979 when I started watching the Billy Graham Crusades on television and Graham stated that the way to get saved was by receiving Christ as Personal Savior. I did not receive Christ as Personal Savior until 20 years later in 1999 because I was not paying attention to the Holy Spirit until November 1999 when I decided it was time to pay attention to the Holy Spirit and receive Christ as Personal Savior during an Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church.

And you didn't/don't realize the fact that this did not occur at the catholic church?

Put two and two together Robert. This isn't just a coincidence.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will show you the errors in doctrine and blasphemy of the CC.

Love in Christ,

Jim

I just saw this older thread, and I had to respond. I have never even heard of "Catholic Fundamentalism." We have a thread on "Children Exiting the Church." Well...I exited the RCC (in my mind) in the 2nd grade before my First Communion. A Catholic person is never taught the Bible, so how are they supposed to witness to the lost? That is entirely impossible. The RCC is all about a social club. Drinking, gambling, going through the motions at the Mass, and not having a clue as to what is going on. I have no idea how any person can even stay in that institution. If they grow up as a child and are sucked in that way? They should take a hike toward the door. How adults come into that institution, it is beyond me. It is a hopelessly, false doctrine that sends billions to hell. Our hope in life and our eternal life lies in one man/God...and He is Jesus Christ. I make no apologies for what God's word the KJV 1611 AV, says. I am a "Rescued Roman Catholic" who has lost loves ones suffering in that place.

Psalm 119:116-117...116 Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope. 117 Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe: and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually. "A Lamp Unto My Feet"

To me a Catholic Fundamentalist is someone who is so thoroughly blinded by Satan that they can't see past the end of their own nose. Their responsiblity on earth is not to lead others to Christ but to convince them that Roman Catholicism is the only way. There is a heap big difference on those two concepts.

To a poor misguided Roman Catholic, Jesus is either A - still hanging on the cross and suffering for our sins, or B - he has been magically turned into a wafer of bread and must be consumed on a daily basis in order to keep from going to hell or C - depicted in a statue as a weak little baby in "Mary the Mother of God's" arms. All of those are false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, but a RCC Fundamentalist won't see it, will clap his hands over his/her ears to keep from hearing what the BIBLE says about those things. Even when you open their very OWN Bible and can point to almost the exact same verses of scripture in their Douey-Rhemes, they get furious! Madder than a wet hen - if you will! Try telling a Roman Catholic that Jesus was not Mary and Joseph's only child, he was just the eldest, and they will most likely throw you right out of their house! Or let them know that it is blasphemous to say that Mary is part of the Holy Trinity and they will send you packing for that one too! She is the Queen of Heaven, because the Pope says so.

Nope being a Catholic Fundamentalist has nothing to do with leading anyone to Christ, because they themselves have no idea who Christ really is. They just follow a false gospel, taught from a false book of Traditions, and vain religion that is based on paganism. I just hope they don't ever decide to reinstate the Inquisition! (Which they say never happened, by the way.)

I am so glad that I was "excommunicated" from that evil religion - my poor departed grandmother nearly had a stroke when I told her I got saved! She was so upset because I picked up the Bible and read it and knew it backwards and forwards and could show it to her too. She did not want to know Jesus, she only wanted me to stop telling her all of these "truths". I sat up in the kitchen all night long and told her all about Jesus, but she did not want to hear it, she was angered by it, and she could not answer any of the scriptures that I showed her that night. My grandfather got a big kick out of seeing us have a stand-off like that and promised to send us an Angel-gram to let us know who was right. It turns out my grandfather was saved as a teenager, in the Baptist religion, but converted to Roman Catholicism when he married my grandma because her family insisted on it. They did not want their Catholic Daughter to marry a Protestant - it was against their religion to marry outside their faith. So he converted to please them.

Now I do not know if I will see either in Heaven or not. But I can sure say to the Lord that I gave it my best try.

That makes perfect sense to me, IM. I have just never heard of "Catholic Fundamentalism" before. Everything you described above is exactly what the devout Roman Catholic believes, though. They push the RCC and tell you that their religion is the only way. Yeah...the only way to eternal damnation, that is. These poor souls are blinded by the most horrible lie in the world. Satan has used the RCC as his "master plan" to do nothing but confuse people into believing that the "Universal Church" is the only way? I am Godly proud to say that I do not come from an offshoot of the RCC. The Baptist faith is a doctrine (or belief.) Our roots lie in that of Jesus Christ---the only one who can save a person's soul from a fiery, torturing, eternal hell.

Matthew 11:4-6...4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. "Jesus Testifies to the Validity of John the Baptist's Ministry"

Ah, the things the Sisters have written here recently reminded me of Mel Gibson and "The Passion of the Christ." There were many Christians, including some supposedly fundamental Baptists who went so far as to rent the entire movie theater where this abomination of a film was being shown and giving out tickets so people could come and watch it.

Mel Gibson is a devout Roman Catholic. He made the statement in an interview that if a person did not belong to THE church they would not go to heaven. Of course by THE church he was referring to the irreverent Roman Catholic church. Then he took some of the money he made on the movie, which is countless millions and much of that from Christian people, to build a Roman Catholic church of his own. I guess he thought that was his way of giving back to the Lord.

One thing I do know is that I have met a number of ex-Catholics in Baptist Churches but I am not aware of any ex-Baptists in the Roman Catholic church.

In Christ,
George

Catholics do not marry outside of their faith and will INSIST on getting their intended spouse to "convert" - they have to go to catechism school and learn all the sacred rites and rituals and promise to send the children to Catholic school, etc. etc. Conversion has nothing to do with ever coming to the saving knowledge of Grace. It is just being able to regurgitate the "correct" answers whenever the priest gives you your catechism test. In this manner, the catholic church increases its membership. When the first Friars came to Florida from Spain they converted the entire native population to catholicism at the point of a sword and end of a musket. You ought to visit St. Augustine some day if you want to see what the RCC notion of "conversion" is!

Amen, Bro. George about the movie "The Passion of the Christ." When my hubby finally rented the movie, I could not even watch it more than half way through. My mother (I pray that she got saved 2 years ago) called it "The Gospel According to Mel"...lol. *sarcasm on her part** She wasn't saved at the time, and was appalled that her friends were running to the theater to see the film 5-6 times. All of Mel Gibson's movies are filled with nothing but gore and violence--- Hollywood style, that is. For that reason, alone, I cannot watch his movies...since my salvation. Yes, he did use the money to support his RCC in California! He even went to the Pope (John Paul 2) at the time for permission to do the film. He paraded his family all over the Vatican. The movie was a misguided attempt to suck anyone into more blasphemy as portrayed by the RCC institution. His dad denies the Holocaust, and Mel has set up an island for him to live on for protection. I will search for this link. Yet, Baptists still filled the theaters to watch? Is it curiosity? My husband wanted to compare it to the Bible, and see what all of the fuss was about; however, "Curiosity killed the cat" they say! Btw, Bro. George, ex-Baptists have married Roman Catholics...and, are walking around in a state of complete and utter confusion. I have heard that some convert to the RCC. Obviously, proper doctrine was not taught...according to the KJV 1611 AV.


IM4given said:

When the first Friars came to Florida from Spain they converted the entire native population to catholicism at the point of a sword and end of a musket. You ought to visit St. Augustine some day if you want to see what the RCC notion of "conversion" is!

Goodness! I did not know this history, Janet.

Matthew 15:18-20...18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. "Tradition Without Obedience is Condemned"

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This is a truism. I grew up in Florida. I have been to St. Augustine and even drank from the "Fountain of Youth." I don't think it worked because I still got cancer and I am still getting gray hair. the point is that the things done in the name of God by the Spaniards were atrocious. Here in California we have the missions. The history there is much the same as it was in Florida. The native people were literally forced into slavery at the hands of the priests and the soldiers in order to fill the needs of the friars.

In Christ,
George

Thank you IM4given and Bro. George for those pieces of information. I knew the Spaniards were brutal, but I didn't know these details. I always thought that the "Fountain of Youth" was imaginary. Well...it may as well be--- as it is just a hoax. I am sorry that you have/had Cancer, George. I pray that "The Great Physician" has or will heal you according to His Perfect Will for your life.

I will have to research "Truism." This is the first that I have heard of it. Thanks for sharing, brother.

candle light, the Spanish Conquistadores came in and in the name of God they slaughtered anyone who got in their way, and then the Spanish Friars came in and built "orphanages" for the children left behind so they could be indocrintated to become good llittle catholics.

The fountain of youth has an insteresting side story. So Ponce De Leon and his band of wild and crazy nutcases landed in southern La Florida and when they reached the natives, one of them told them there was no gold but then came the story all about "the fountain of youth" - so this kept the Spainiards busy tromping through the swamps and whenever they asked a native where is the Fountain of Youth - they always pointed them somewhere else - to get them out of their hair and keep them from causing more trouble. So the Spainiards had to deal with the snakes and gators , malaria and other tropical diseases and these were much more effective weapons than any of the spears and arrows that the natives had to use against the Spainiards.

So the Fountain of Youth was declared to be in St. Augustine, at the northern part of the state. It is an interesting little settlement - all built in the name of a pagan god - because they landed on the feast day of Saint Augustine.

I think I recall learning some of this; however, you have just summed up some things for me! Thanks, IM4given.

I am reading in my husband's IFB Bible college book that Augustine changed the text of Titus 3:5..."Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" Augustine changed the word washing to the word "laver," which changed the meaning of the passage. Instead of regeneration washing the Christian, a laver (baptismal pool or font) regenerated the Christian. This led to belief in baptismal regeneration, a FALSE doctrine that created infant baptism. 2.) Regenerate church membership---p.12. The Collegiate Baptist History Workbook by James R. Beller.

This was very early on in church history. It is no wonder people are confused on proper doctrine.

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